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re: JBE drops the hammer
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:04 pm to foj1981
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:04 pm to foj1981
I dont have an issue with the cutback.
However, anyone claiming a student that scores a 25 on his ACT is unable to be successful in college is a moron. Making a 25 on the ACT does not pigeon hole a person to a life of blue collar work. Ridiculous.
However, anyone claiming a student that scores a 25 on his ACT is unable to be successful in college is a moron. Making a 25 on the ACT does not pigeon hole a person to a life of blue collar work. Ridiculous.
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:04 pm to foj1981
Good
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:04 pm to islandtiger
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Fyi, a 26 on the math portion would put you in the lower 80s percentile nationally. ..a pretty high bar for most LA high school graduates. We have kids who had composite ACT scores from low 20s to low 30s and all did very well at LSU and out-of-state schools. ACT is not the end all be all predictor of success in college...grit is at least as important. I support a reasonable ACT threshold. ..say low 20s...but turn it into a loan if you don't graduate.
In my best Blazing Saddles impersonation "Harrumph!" I could go with this.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:06 pm to 13SaintTiger
but that's comparing a scholarship to Harvard. You laughed that I was comparing lsu to Harvard. You do realize tops can be applied to more than lsu right?
And also, I'm pointing out the fact that there are so many people who feel entitled to tops. And yes in my opinion a 20 is just giving in to an entitlement mentality.
And also, I'm pointing out the fact that there are so many people who feel entitled to tops. And yes in my opinion a 20 is just giving in to an entitlement mentality.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:07 pm to foj1981
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Going to cut TOPS by 62%. Minimum ACT 26
It never should have gotten this far. The original idea was need-based. I don't agree with it, but that's what it was. They opened it up to everyone and tuition shot up like a damn rocket. The university system spent money and budgeted like they were playing a damn video game.
This is bad for optics. Now you only have "privileged, smart" kids getting it. Again, don't agree with TOPS to begin with, but this will get ugly.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:07 pm to Jcorye1
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That all sounds great, and trust me I wish I scored higher in all sections, but fact is I didn't. I still was able to succeed in college and get my degree plus a commission in the USAF. That, in fact, was my original premise: you don't need a score as high as a 26 to be able to pass and graduate college.
Steve Jobs dropped out of college and died an insanely rich, productive, and innovative human being. On a micro level yes you find diamonds in the rough, but on the macro level are enough found that the Louisiana taxpayers should invest in their college degrees? Nobody is saying you can't go to college with a 20-25, just that the taxpayers are not financing your degree.
Great post.
I agree. Only took the ACT twice, made a 22 on it, but hold a graduate degree.
I also agree that if you're cutting programs like this, then there needs to be some accountability on wasting money on EBT bullshite. Give people commodities such as beans/rice and stop letting them go to the store and purchase steaks/chicken, etc.
If you take government money, they should be able to tell you what to do with it.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:08 pm to foj1981
frick that bug eyed two faced piece of shite
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:08 pm to FlyingTiger06
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I made A's in every math class in HS, typically acing every test given and despite taking the ACT four times, never made above a 23 in the math section. I took it that many times because I needed a minimum 25 in that section to qualify for the Air Force Academy.
My HS offered the following math courses for "college-prep" students: Algebra I, Geometry, Algebra II, and Advanced Math. The Advanced Math class was really a joke (taught by our football coach).
So what? None of this means the state should foot the bill for your school's failings. Are you a Bernie supporter? If not, then you should agree with what is happening.
I got a 1400+ on the old SATs and had a 3.0 in HS, I paid my way through college on student loans and part time jobs. Why? Because the people getting scholarships were scoring 1400 with 4.0 GPAs. It was fair.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:08 pm to 13SaintTiger
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I mean if you don't think universities put more weight on gpa than anything else then you are helpless. A poster just linked some data that showed class rankings mattered more than act's. Do you know how class rankings work?
You're coming off as really defensive
Where is the line drawn? Do you think someone who scores a 16 on the ACT will likely be as successful as you with your 22? Or do you think the test is completely irrelevant?
I've never witnessed a person who scored high on the ACT argue that it is irrelevant, nor a person who scored low on the test argue that it is relevant. I guess it is what it is
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:09 pm to blueboxer1119
My kid is a 3.85 Construction Management major. Is a junior and made a 25 on ACT
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:09 pm to Stud Bud
On the flip side of that coin, I made a 29 and barely got out of LSU by the skin of my arse.
ACT definitely doesn't correlate directly into college success, but you gotta go by something. Raising the minimum needed to happen for sure.
ACT definitely doesn't correlate directly into college success, but you gotta go by something. Raising the minimum needed to happen for sure.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:09 pm to tylercsbn9
For comparisons sake, below are states with similar programs. Raising of standards and reducing award amounts isn't unique to LA. From what I read, these have all trended similarly due to budget issues.
GA HOPE
Tier 1: 3.7 GPA, 26 ACT = 100% of tuition
Tier 2: 3.0 GPA = 80%ish (maybe less)
FL Bright Futures
Tier 1: 3.5 GPA, 29 ACT, 100 service hours = 100% of tuition
Tier 2: 3.0 GPA, 26 ACT, 75 service hours = 75% of tuition
TN HOPE
3.0 GPA, 21 ACT = $1,750 per semester (yr 1-2), $2,250 per semester (yr 3-4)
GA HOPE
Tier 1: 3.7 GPA, 26 ACT = 100% of tuition
Tier 2: 3.0 GPA = 80%ish (maybe less)
FL Bright Futures
Tier 1: 3.5 GPA, 29 ACT, 100 service hours = 100% of tuition
Tier 2: 3.0 GPA, 26 ACT, 75 service hours = 75% of tuition
TN HOPE
3.0 GPA, 21 ACT = $1,750 per semester (yr 1-2), $2,250 per semester (yr 3-4)
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:12 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Oh I'm in total agreement that it needed to be raised.
Hell, I'm from MS, paid OOS tuition to go to LSU, worked my arse off, and I saw people who didn't have the grades I had get into LSU and had TOPS pay for their school.
I'm all for being fiscally conservative.
Hell, I'm from MS, paid OOS tuition to go to LSU, worked my arse off, and I saw people who didn't have the grades I had get into LSU and had TOPS pay for their school.
I'm all for being fiscally conservative.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:13 pm to 4LSU2
What would have been Vitter's plans to fix our 8 year hole that Jindal created? Or you forgot about those elections and those consequences. If you don't realize the state is fricking broke.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:15 pm to RedRifle
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What would have been Vitter's plans to fix our 8 year hole that Jindal created?
Jindal didn't create this mess. He didn't help it, but this has been a long time coming.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:15 pm to foj1981
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My kid is a 3.85 Construction Management major. Is a junior and made a 25 on ACT
More power to him then; however, there are currently tons of students on Tops with a 21 ACT and skating by with a 2.5 GPA. The state should absolutely NOT be paying for that student to have the privilege of going to college.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:16 pm to Stud Bud
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also agree that if you're cutting programs like this, then there needs to be some accountability on wasting money on EBT bullshite. Give people commodities such as beans/rice and stop letting them go to the store and purchase steaks/chicken, etc.
If you take government money, they should be able to tell you what to do with it.
Agree with this.
Glad they're raising standards but JBE isn't touching dem programs. In fact he's expanding them. frick that noise.
Also the new standards should not be retroactive.
And gpa should be part of a sliding scale, combined with ACT to get TOPS
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:16 pm to AUjim
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What do you think the correlation is between ACT score and family income....
Probably very close to the correlation between college success and family income.
This is a good move (if it ever happens, I'm skeptical), but a handful of y'all are really downplaying the quality of a 25/26 score on the ACT. A 25 is around the 80th percentile, and not every high school senior even takes the ACT (i.e. a lot of people that would do terribly on it and probably aren't even HS grad material). A lot of people that will get cut out won't exactly be borderline retards. But, again, the 26 is a pretty reasonable cutoff. Edwards doesn't have the balls to do it, though, as it will almost certainly have some financial/racial exceptions. Time to stop subsidizing Texas's workforce.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:18 pm to ULSU
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So what? None of this means the state should foot the bill for your school's failings. Are you a Bernie supporter? If not, then you should agree with what is happening.
I'm far from being a Bernie supporter. Again, my point is that the 26 threshold is too high if the intent is to make sure we aren't "wasting" our money on people who will not be able to graduate. If you intend the 26 number to just be more of a limiting factor on how many scholarships are handed out, then that's one thing. My initial reactions were to another post where someone said that if you can't make a 26 you probably wouldn't graduate anyway and are wasting taxpayer money.
That said, putting the mark too high will not help us in the long term. This state has too often focused on the short-term fixes that have created long-term problems. In my opinion, this would be another example of that.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:18 pm to THRILLHO
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Edwards doesn't have the balls to do it, though, as it will almost certainly have some financial/racial exceptions.
I hope like hell he does, just for this.
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