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re: Italian vs. Sicilian

Posted on 8/1/20 at 10:07 am to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19056 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 10:07 am to
I remember when that area was sleepy and underdeveloped and Reston now, it’s like Tyson’s Corner when I was a child.

I’m from Middleburg
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
11848 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 10:13 am to
All texans are americans, not all americans are texans.
Posted by StanSmith
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 8/1/20 at 1:02 pm to
My mom's family is Sicilian on her mom and dads side. After being in the country for 3 or more generations I don't think any traits or traditions remain.

Remember though that when death is on the line never go in against a Sicilian.
Posted by TruBrew
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2019
2261 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 1:16 pm to
Thats like saying what's the difference between white people and white people?
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17657 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 1:25 pm to
Jews and gentiles
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70657 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 2:59 pm to
Look at the map.

Italy is the boot. We're trying to punt Sicily away.
Posted by Eyebesmacinhose
Enterprise, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2017
1724 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 3:13 pm to
I’m from near Sicily Island, LA. How many points is that?
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11896 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 3:31 pm to
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Culture wise, I would say that Sicilian families are a little country that Italian families. Manners / protocol is important , as it is to manny country people. Extended family, even to third cousins , is considered a close relative and usually part of gatherings. Food is more diverse bc if the influences. Food is also a bit simpler. Sauces/gravy may be a bit sweeter and/or piquant.

You described my mom's side pretty perfectly. When my great grandmother from Sicily turned 100, we had a huge family get together and apparently there were over 100 cousins. I was young but I do remember a lot of people there and my GG singing some Italian bullfrog song

My grandmother was the best cook ever. Her sweet red gravy and she would use boiled eggs in place of meat as that's what they did in Sicily because they were poor. But, when she did also make meatballs, they were huge and delicious. Damn, I miss her and her food
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12696 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 3:40 pm to
We are Sicilian on my dad's side (grandmother came over from Sicily). Don't really know the difference myself, but I've been told that should I ever decide to visit Sicily, I should never mention the family name. Some of the family was Mafia. One (who I presume was a relative) even got expelled from the US and ended up getting blown up by a car bomb in Sicily.
Posted by dolamite
st. mary parish
Member since Sep 2009
904 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 3:41 pm to
All 4 of my grandparents were from Sicily (small villages near Palermo). All came over near the turn of the 20th century during open immigration. We have always referred to our family/families as "Italian". But, piss any of us off, and we become "Sicilian" in a heart beat!
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
55940 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 3:50 pm to
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poor. But, when she did also make meatballs, they were huge and delicious. Damn, I miss her and her food


Man, what I wouldn’t give to sit down at my grandmothers table just one more time for a plate of spaghetti. We used to go every Sunday for lunch.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11896 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 5:02 pm to
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Spankum

Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71935 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 5:06 pm to



good book written by a Loyola professor
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1323 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 5:47 pm to
About thirty years ago a man named Tony Sandanato moved to Lake Charles from Buffalo, New York and became my daughter's softball coach.

I told him that he would feel at home because I grew up with a lot of good Italians in the Goosport area. He said that they were not Italians but Sicilians, They are dark!
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 6:32 pm to
In-law’s a ‘Catania’, first generation from Catania, my trip to visit/stay with the extended family in April was delayed because da WuFlu.


AMA?
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14387 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 9:28 pm to
Bread and Respect: The Italians of Louisiana by Anthony V. Margavio is a fantastic book.

I could "see" my extended family and many people I know in the descriptions of the Sicilians.

I didn't get to experience the whole "big Italian family" dynamic as my grandmother was the youngest of her generation born in 1905 here, whilst her older sister was born in 1880 in Sicily. My mother, then was the youngest of her generation and only had one older brother and grandmother died when I was four. I am the youngest of my generation and knew my cousins, but not the much older ones, and by then, everyone else had their families and the big Sunday was already petering out in the 1960s and 1970s when I was little. :(

I and a few relatives have red hair and light eyes. Two of my grandfather's sisters had it, and my first cousin has it, as well. It is not prevalent, but it is common and well-known among Sicilians.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33935 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 9:46 pm to
Modern Italians are genetically a mixture of the Latin-Gallic population of the Roman Empire and the Germanic peoples (eg the Lombards) who moved in during the late stages of the Western empire and the early Middle Ages.

Sicilians have a different genetic blend -- originally more Greek than Latin, with genetic influences from North Africa and Iberia along with Italy and the Germanic peoples.

Obviously, I'm painting with broad strokes here.
Posted by The Ramp
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2004
12188 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 9:54 pm to
Half and half. My grandparents from my dads side (northern Italian) did not care for my mom's side (Sicilian). But both spoke Italian at home. Dad baked and mom cooked. Both excellent. When I went to Sicily last year, I couldn't understand anything. I asked if they were speaking Sicilian and they said no but they mispronounce everything. Hard to understand.
This post was edited on 8/1/20 at 9:57 pm
Posted by Niccolo Machiavelli
Member since Jun 2020
1622 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 9:55 pm to
There is literally no ethnic difference between southern Italians and Sicilians
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14387 posts
Posted on 8/1/20 at 9:55 pm to
Don't forget the Normans and the Celts actually passed through as well. Then there are the Abreshse as was previously mentioned.

My folks came from a small town a 45-minute train ride into the mountains from Palermo. It's an entirely different world up there. Even today, people in Alia, where we're from, mostly eat what they grow. Coastal Sicilians eat a lot of seafood, they don't get that inland in the mountains.
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