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VABuckeye
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
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My lineage is northern Italy (Livorna, Tuscany region). It's like how Eastbanker feel about the Westbank. Sicily= Mob


To be honest Tuscany is not northern Italian at all. More like mid Italian. Piedmonte, Lombardy, Emilia-Romagno. Now those are Northern Italian regions.
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HempHead
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
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We are the children of what are truly medieval cultures. I love the world we grew up in, and it will always be there, close to my heart.



None of my friends seem to have much interest in the background influences, or how we became to be. It is really saddening.


Lima Whiskey
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
The demographic shifts in Virginia are what changed it for me.

You had these transplants sweeping in, and erasing the local culture. It turned into one of my focuses at UVa.
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AbuTheMonkey
Notre Dame Fan
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
7036 posts

re: Italian vs. Sicilian
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True Turks look more like orientals, look at Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.


Many of the Turks I’ve met look Greek, or even Roman, they have the faces you see in ancient mosaics.



"Turk" as in Anatolian Turkey is really a mish-mash of a bunch of different ethnicities (Greek, Eastern Christian like Armenians, Berber, Balkan, Egyptian, Central Asian, Eastern Slavic, Arab, etc.) who were Turkified over the centuries. If you've ever been to Istanbul, you can kind of see it in the people there. I've also worked with a lot of people who are either Turkish or of Turkish origin over the years in different capacities, and the ethnic features really run the gamut. You'll see everything from basically a traditional Northern European profile with very white skin and blue eyes to a vaguely East Asian-oriented feature profile. One of the most attractive women I've ever worked with was Turkish, and she definitely had more of a Central Asian profile than anything else.

Edit to Add: Not to get all more-worldly-than-thou, but I think many Americans who haven't spent much time in the Middle East or Eastern Med probably don't appreciate the ethnic differences between and within these countries, and those differences reflect the (very, very) complex history of the region. As an example, a lot of Syrians, Lebanese, and Palestinians look pretty much exactly like Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Tunisians (who have more than a bit of European ethnicity), Albanians, and so on if you strip away the differences local dressing and grooming habits. There is a universe of difference between Basra and Beirut, between Tunis and Riyadh. It's like saying that Montreal and Mexico City are similar because they're both in North America.
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HempHead
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
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You had these transplants sweeping in, and erasing the local culture. It turned into one of my focuses at UVa.



It's about to happen here. Before, we had transformed into a pseudo-bedroom community of Huntsville, but there were too few of them to really change how things operated. Now, with a gigantic new manufacturing plant moving in and the ancillary businesses that will accompany it, I fear that my little county of a small-medium town and surrounding countryside will be transformed into another suburban eyesore with no genuine character.


Lima Whiskey
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
That just makes me sad, I wouldn’t wish our fate on anyone

Northern Virginia, where I grew up, is just miles of soulless development. If you didn’t know better you could be in Maryland, or New Jersey.

Everyone is from somewhere else, and there’s no culture left.


Del Devereaux
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fatboydave
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
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My wife's Sicilian side down in Morgan City always call themselves Italian,


I always confuse my Italian Morgan City people as Sicilian Morgan City people


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TRUERockyTop
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
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jcaz
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
I assume it's like the difference between coonasses and rednecks.


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MardiGrasTexan
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
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A lot of Sicilians immigrated to Louisiana in the late 19th/early 20th century.


My grandparents on my mother's side came from Sicily in the early 1900's. They owned a strawberry farm in Hammond.


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62Tigerfan
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Member since Sep 2015
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Italian vs. Sicilian


Sicilians don't put too many onions in the sauce. Three small onions, that's all.


VABuckeye
Ohio State Fan
Oak Hill, VA
Member since Dec 2007
27405 posts

re: Italian vs. Sicilian
NOVA has always been pretty bad with that. What high school did you go to? My kids went to Oakton and PVI.


tigafan4life
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2006
41143 posts

re: Italian vs. Sicilian
We (Sicilians) call spaghetti sauce red gravy and we put sugar in it. That’s about all I know. Oh and my family comes from Corleone where the mob comes from.


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barbapapa
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Mar 2018
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
I think Sicilians don't like other Sicilians a ton, there isn't really much of a collective effort down there. Seems like a lot of Paranoia, jealousy etc. Someone said clannish or cliquish earlier, I think that's it.

trying to think of the name of the book that establishes a lot of this behavior, written by an American who moved down to Sicily after WW2
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eddieray
LSU Fan
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
14397 posts

re: Italian vs. Sicilian
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A lot of Sicilians immigrated to Louisiana in the late 19th/early 20th century.


My mom’s parents came over from Sicily about that time. They never really stressed any differences. My mom just considered herself Italian.


Bulletproof Lover
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
1421 posts

re: Italian vs. Sicilian
My wife is Sicilian and did 23andme. She is primarily Italian, Anatolian and Spanish.

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We (Sicilians) call spaghetti sauce red gravy and we put sugar in it

This is a fact.
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Lima Whiskey
Virginia Fan
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re: Italian vs. Sicilian
I’m from western Loudoun, but I went away for high school.


Screaming Viking
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Member since Jul 2013
1712 posts

re: Italian vs. Sicilian
My great grandparents on my moms side came over from Sicily.

The part of the family that went to the country, got into farming and grocery store. The ones that remained in New Orleans, went into the grocery/bar/restaurant business. Restaurant is actually still open. Been sold twice, but still there.

Side story.....we made copies of a bunch of pictures for the restaurant that were lost in Katrina. Had a “family only” re-opening after Katrina. Good stories about relatives that i had never been told.


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VABuckeye
Ohio State Fan
Oak Hill, VA
Member since Dec 2007
27405 posts

re: Italian vs. Sicilian
I live in Ashburn. Western Loudoun still has a little elbow room.


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