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re: It boggles my mind that the USA is asking people to sew masks and use bandanas
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:59 am to RedRifle
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:59 am to RedRifle
Yeah sorry folks all this “change” people want will cost money and Americans are cheap and short sighted. In 6 months this will be old news and all forgotten. Nobody wants to see their bills go up because we moved manufacturing to the USA and the price of everything doubled because we have a minimum wage and workers rights.
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:01 pm to jnethe1
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Japan has the same mindset when they attacked Pearl Harbor
This country is very, very different than it was in 1941. In many ways.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:01 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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There will be massive changes that will come from this. Has to be.
There is no excuse for the United States to have this happen to us.
I sure hope the government doesn’t get in the business of trying to predict every consumer item that might be needed in the next “crisis” and stockpile them at taxpayer expense.
Healthcare professionals should maintain their own inventory of masks, for example, as a backup to the hospital or clinic’s supply. Why should the government be involved as the savior? Buy some on your own and donate them when the time comes. Take some responsibility. Stop whining for the government to bail you out.
Since we have so many experts here, provide a comprehensive list of things that need to be stockpiled so we can all start prepping.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:03 pm to BobABooey
Meanwhile you have jackasses posting selfies of themselves wearing a mask going to Walmart.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:03 pm to RedRifle
I think most Americans assume that our professionals and political and business leaders are rational, sober, fiscally responsible, wise, mature adults. Sadly, they operate on the same short-sighted impulsivity, self-interests and greed that the average American does.
It's the blind leading the blind.
ETA: not to say there aren't good people everywhere that know what they're doing but they're far outnumbered by the children that surround them.
It's the blind leading the blind.
ETA: not to say there aren't good people everywhere that know what they're doing but they're far outnumbered by the children that surround them.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:04 pm to bigpapamac
quote:Can't do that.
Sounds like a perfect time for Trump to invoke the DPA.
Google made the testing website, got attacked for helping OMB.
OMB closed travel with China early January and response was "OMB and racist!"
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
But manufacturers in the US have recently volunteered to make the stuff so it's in the process. No need to dial them up and get their fax number to order them to do it. Now that it's a crisis the profit motive went out the window and they value lives more than numbers on a screen.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:05 pm to lsunurse
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Meanwhile you have jackasses posting selfies of themselves wearing a mask going to Walmart.
fricking america in a nutshell.
We've turned from humble workers to narcissistic attention whores raised from the perspective of Hollywood.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:05 pm to SpidermanTUba
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It is, unfortunately. The elastic band on the masks deteriorates over years. Docs are using expired masks and having this problem.
This is a lame cop out. There are easy work around for this type of thing.
Try a different type of band. Or, make them without the band, adaptable to common off-the-shelf straps that can be manufactured quickly.
A fricking rubber band shouldn’t dictate policy.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:05 pm to Sidicous
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If they worked on it starting January we'd have plenty!
Link?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:06 pm to Mo Jeaux
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This country is very, very different than it was in 1941. In many ways.
You’re right, we are very different. We have a large part of our population that simply wants to get paid to exist. Now you compound that with this problem and you’ve got a cancer patient who suddenly gets pneumonia.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:09 pm to RedRifle
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They should have figured it out.
How many masks and ventilators are enough?
And when that number is too low for a future crisis, does that mean you're evil, murderous or just full of shite now?
This type of extended crisis is difficult to plan for. When you buy something, you have to store it which is not free. If it is perishable, you have to rotate stock (which requires some level of tracking/manpower), so at a certain point if the government stocks 1 billion masks or 10 billion or whatever arbitrary number you think it should be, it will never be enough.
Now, the ability to make these things is something that shouldn't have been outsourced and we should fix that, for sure. You and I are not in full disagreement on pandemic preparations, but at a certain point any overpreparation for a crisis is wasteful spending, too. We've got more than enough of that to go around.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:13 pm to shawnlsu
quote:How about from scratch we went from zero way of testing for the virus to now there are thousands of test kits across the nation in the same time frame that J&J supposedly ramped up already in production PPE.
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If they worked on it starting January we'd have plenty!
Link?
Or is that too much to comprehend?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:17 pm to Ace Midnight
The CDC is driving this bullshite. Wife is an RN in Houston and says they started with the N95 mask requirement, those ran out, so the CDC said medical staff can grt by with the typical face mask, those ran out, and the CDC now says a bandana is sufficient. I'm sure this is done to avoid all the future lawsuits by staff for forcing them to treat people without the proper equipment.
When our medical employees all start coming down with this, we're going to be in much more dire situation.
When our medical employees all start coming down with this, we're going to be in much more dire situation.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:17 pm to Sidicous
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And the CEO of Johnson & Johnson was lying to America on maria bartelromo this morning say J&J has working "months" to have enough PPE out there.
Did you notice when she asked him about making all their shite in China and whether they'd come back to America, he just danced around the question?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:17 pm to Ace Midnight
I’m not really faulting anyone for anything this time.
But going forward, with 4 respiratory pandemics in the last 20 years, and 8 in the last 100 years, at what point is this more important than some of our military spending?
Your comments could be directed at current military spending. How many tanks are enough? How many missiles, jets, etc?
For a rounding error in military spending, much of what we are facing could be avoided.
We are about to spend in excess of $3 trillion on this. shite gets affordable quickly at those numbers.
But going forward, with 4 respiratory pandemics in the last 20 years, and 8 in the last 100 years, at what point is this more important than some of our military spending?
Your comments could be directed at current military spending. How many tanks are enough? How many missiles, jets, etc?
For a rounding error in military spending, much of what we are facing could be avoided.
We are about to spend in excess of $3 trillion on this. shite gets affordable quickly at those numbers.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:18 pm to RedRifle
Katrina taught me you cannot count on the Gov in times of need.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:20 pm to Mo Jeaux
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This country is very, very softer than it was in 1941
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:21 pm to AUstar
quote:Yep, CEO gonna CEO. Pay homage to his Lord and Savior the US Dollar. Gotta preserve the profit margin even if it kills...someone else!
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And the CEO of Johnson & Johnson was lying to America on maria bartelromo this morning say J&J has working "months" to have enough PPE out there.
Did you notice when she asked him about making all their shite in China and whether they'd come back to America, he just danced around the question?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:26 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Your comments could be directed at current military spending. How many tanks are enough? How many missiles, jets, etc?
Absolutely. And, there are continual assessments at the Pentagon, based on the current national security strategy documents about just exactly how many and where all these things should be, based on current and emerging threats.
And likely the same thing is going on with this kind of thing. But, you just don't know until you know, frankly, how the real world interacts with these plans and contingencies. Louisiana both practiced for and responded to real hurricanes all the time before Katrina and was still unprepared for that leadership and resource challenge.
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4 respiratory pandemics in the last 20 years
Did we run short of N-95 masks in 2009?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:30 pm to Ace Midnight
I agree with your premise there is a fine line. We are woefully underprepared right now I can tell you that. But these simulations have been run over and over again. Hell, I watched War Games in the 1980s and those mainframes had calculated every possibility, but suddenly today we’re just figuring it out?
We expect very little from the government and they can’t even deliver that.
We expect very little from the government and they can’t even deliver that.
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