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re: It boggles my mind how people scared to death of the virus

Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:50 am to
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6741 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:50 am to
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Again...goes back to what I said earlier about how the research before this year didn't paint the picture they are painting now.
Neither do the real-world results. Mask compliance and infection levels have no relation.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85352 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:51 am to
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Again...goes back to what I said earlier about how the research before this year didn't paint the picture they are painting now.


could it be that we are simply doing more studies with more effective procedures now?

mask studies before 2020 are kinda few and far between and most are not exactly applicable to what we are doing now

Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
17116 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:51 am to
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might help reduce


so it might not.

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have suggested


so it's unproven and just suggested

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led to the hypothesis


so it's an unproven theory.



Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25838 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:54 am to
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could it be that we are simply doing more studies with more effective procedures now?


It's possible, but it's not like all the studies are from decades ago. There are plenty from the 2010s that were conducted by the same people putting out studies today.

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mask studies before 2020 are kinda few and far between


Are they? I know they usually get whittled down to the same "best" 14 or so, but there are plenty more than that. You can even find a mask study from ~1918.

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most are not exactly applicable to what we are doing now


Potentially, as most will have looked at flu. Are you of the mind that SARS-CoV-2 and the various influenzas, rhinoviruses and other human coronaviruses that cause respiratory infections are transmitted in drastically different ways?
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 10:59 am
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29043 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:54 am to
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So you are going to ignore the fact having someones spit being lodged on the mask that sits over your mouth isnt worse than passing by that spit for a single moment?
What do you mean "passing by" it? You think particles don't attach to your face? And which do you think is better -- a particle lodged on the mask or lodged in your lungs?
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You refuse to note all the negative real world applications of mask.
And you refuse to think logically. I mean, you're basically acting as if your face has a fricking force field around it and a mask is a virus magnet that disables it. You think whatever your mask traps would have just passed you by rather than being sucked into the vacuum that you create with every breath?

We put filters on all kinds of shite. You think your car would last longer without an air filter? I mean it's trapping all those contaminants and carrying them around!
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29043 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:57 am to
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Not sure why we are attributing sneezing to Coronavirus.
We aren't. It was an example meant to illustrate how particles travel.

I honestly don't know why I even try anymore.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107808 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:58 am to
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We put filters on all kinds of shite. You think your car would last longer without an air filter? I mean it's trapping all those contaminants and carrying them around!
Imagine if a side effect of a car having a filter, was a giant stick poking at it and adjusting it 500 time a day

And imagine if the car filter was put in by some random dumbass, and not a mechanic


Now you see the actual analogy?

These car filters arent being put in by mechanics and properly left alone.....
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 10:59 am
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25838 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:59 am to
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And imagine if the car filter was put in by some random dumbass, and not a mechanic


Whoa, dude...you need a mechanic to change your air filter? Haha.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107808 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:02 am to
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Whoa, dude...you need a mechanic to change your air filter? Haha.

Me personally? No


The average american? Absofrickinglutely
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
4120 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:13 am to
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My coworker’s husband spent three weeks in the ICU with Covid and died on Thanksgiving Day at the age of 35.


this imaginary fat frick would have died in this same fake scenario with or without masks
Posted by Baws
Member since Jan 2020
520 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:13 am to
I see people adjust their mask all the time, sometimes it’s crooked, sometime it’s only covering their mouth. I’ve even seen people lift their mask up to cough.

I’ve seen people use thinly veiled masks that I’m sure are ineffective. Also, droplets can still pass through the mask, allbeit less droplets.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51573 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:23 am to
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It boggles my mind how I need to wear a mask when I show my I’d to a bouncer for an indoor bar, but then sit down and walk throughout without a mask. Wearing that mask initially literally did nothing if you take it off.


You are dead wrong! A bulletproof vest doesn't prevent every bullet from killing the wearer, but it prevents some. Same with the mask. If 20 people out drinking in bars would have gotten the virus had masks not been worn, and 18 got the virus because all were wearing masks, then the masks did something...LITERALLY.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51573 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:26 am to
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I know 5 dead people killed by that hoax.......it is not a ruse to allow mail in voting.

No, but they sure took advantage of the crises to get mail in voting so they could cheat their asses off.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
119887 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:29 am to
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Yes - my sister is scared but she doesn’t leave her house - she sends her husband everywhere




If you don't mind me asking, how old is she? Does she have health issues? Or is she just over the top scared?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29043 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:34 am to
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Imagine if a side effect of a car having a filter, was a giant stick poking at it and adjusting it 500 time a day

And imagine if the car filter was put in by some random dumbass, and not a mechanic


Now you see the actual analogy?

These car filters arent being put in by mechanics and properly left alone.....
So my assumption is that filters work. Your assumption is that the positive effect of filters is entirely negated by, or even surpassed by, the side effects that they cause.

People touch their faces all the time, mask or not. Is it better to put a dirty hand on a mask or directly on the face? Is it better to put a contaminated hand on your face 1 time, or on a mask 10 times?

Do you think men with beards touch their faces way more often than those without? Do bearded men tend to get sick more often than other people?

People who wear glasses probably touch their faces a lot more than those who don't. Do people who wear glasses get sick more often than others?

Or do you think it's more likely that infecting yourself by touching your face is determined much more by how clean you keep your hands rather than how often you touch your face? Is it better to touch your face 100 times with clean hands, or 1 time with contaminated hands?


Does any of this mean anything to you? Or are you just going to keep arguing that filtering your mucus holes is actually worse than not?
Posted by Baws
Member since Jan 2020
520 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:35 am to
I’m saying you wear a mask when you walk, talk to your host and say Patty if 5, you’re seated and you all take off your mask. Someone at the table with the virus sneezes, droplets going flying everywhere inside. Literally did nothing, the host is infected, waitress, ect as the droplets are airborne and the workers are only wearing a mask and their eyes are still receptors to get the virus.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
vortex to the whirlpool of despair
Member since Jun 2020
57853 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:37 am to
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If you don't mind me asking, how old is she? Does she have health issues? Or is she just over the top scared?


She’s mid-40s and is a prediabetic, other than that she’s healthy

To tell you the truth - I think her doctor is a quack and has her scared - but no one listens to me
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
15052 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:41 am to
Prediabetic. That can be forestalled by good diet and exercise.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29043 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:55 am to
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I’m saying you wear a mask when you walk, talk to your host and say Patty if 5, you’re seated and you all take off your mask. Someone at the table with the virus sneezes, droplets going flying everywhere inside. Literally did nothing, the host is infected, waitress, ect as the droplets are airborne and the workers are only wearing a mask and their eyes are still receptors to get the virus.
You are operating under the assumption that every contact results in an infection. That is absolutely NOT how it works. If that were the case, it would rip through the whole country in days.

A contagious person might interact with dozens or hundreds of people during the contagious period. You know how many other people one sick person infects, on average? Like 2. You could have thousands of potentially infectious interactions, and maybe 2 of them pass on the infection. If you wear a mask most of the time, and only remove it to eat for a little while, you could cut the number way down. A lot of times a person with covid might live in the same house with 3 or 4 other people and none of them get sick. It's just nowhere near that contagious. Nothing is.

But while 2 infections sounds like a low number, it still means that the total number of infected people will basically double every few weeks. Anything above 1 means the virus will spread, so that reproductive rate needs to be below 1 before it will start to die out. If the average is 1.1, the number of infections will grow exponentially. If the average is 0.9, the number of infections will shrink. It's a very small difference that makes a big difference. That's what the masks are for.
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 11:59 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91265 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:58 am to
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Bingo

This is all that helps the spread

They could lockdown everything, but if people still had parties, went to families houses etc etc, it would continue to spread


They could lockdown nothing, but if people did not have personal gatherings the spread would be minimal. The science even admits this, yet they continue to lockdown business. Anyone saying they agree is denying science, and it 100% for pissing away everything America is for


I find behavioral science to be fascinating. Unfortunately, I have a difficult time seeing how you could convince people it’s serious without lockdowns, even though I think the lockdowns are absurd.
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