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re: Israeli Health Chief, "vaccine effectiveness is roughly 40 percent"

Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:00 pm to
Posted by Welcome2daSEC
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2021
40 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:00 pm to
My birthday is in 18 days it’s going to ruin my birthday to have to wear a mask again
Posted by biggie
Member since May 2013
87 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:00 pm to
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paid providers at least $80 for each person given the vaccine


CMS reimburses $40. Most insurance companies $28. Not really a highly profitable venture for time involved in processing paperwork and reporting.
Posted by Anonymous95
Member since Sep 2014
2078 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:01 pm to
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She says it's still effective against severe infection.

Maybe, but she seems to be very specific about its overall effectiveness and pretty ambiguous about this claim. Reminds me of the claims that vaccinated people can’t spread the virus which was the big of talking point about 10 days ago. Now that’s vanished and is replaced by this ambiguous claim.
Posted by Anonymous95
Member since Sep 2014
2078 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:02 pm to
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CMS reimburses $40. Most insurance companies $28. Not really a highly profitable venture for time involved in processing paperwork and reporting.

I didn’t mention anything about profit. Cost is not profit.

Also - Those figures are per dose. So you can at least double them.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 6:08 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
Member since Jul 2012
17940 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:03 pm to
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A new study conducted on the effectiveness of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine shows that protection against the virus drops to approximately 84% about four to six months after the second dose is injected.


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The study also showed that though declining, the vaccine was 97% effective against severe disease for at least six months.



KXAN news
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:03 pm to
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Stress to hospital capacity…

To be considered or ignored on your plan?


Will it affect their ability to make Tiktok videos?
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
24608 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:07 pm to
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There is no "vaccine"


Exactly. Quit calling it a vaccine IT’S NOT! Same reason we don’t call a flu shot a vaccine. It’s not a vaccine.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21374 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:18 pm to
The great reset.
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
25749 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:21 pm to
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Exactly. Quit calling it a vaccine IT’S NOT! Same reason we don’t call a flu shot a vaccine. It’s not a vaccine.

None of this is true.

And for the poster that said the vaccine was completely worthless, please look at the death rates before and after the vaccination rollout
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22392 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:29 pm to
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And for the poster that said the vaccine was completely worthless, please look at the death rates before and after the vaccination rollout




It obviously works to reduce the severity of the current strains. But it also seems to allow the virus to hang around. I just hope like others have mentioned that vaccinated the low risk folks too doesn’t come back to bite us.
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
5985 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:29 pm to
The Israel's have a high percentage of vaccinated population, having their data and analysis helps us. Their evidence points to a need for booster shots.

"We see infection rates among them that is 90 per 100,000, which is double of those who are fully vaccinated by March," she said, adding that "we see a drop in the vaccine effectiveness against disease for those who have been vaccinated early on, and we see it for both elderly people over the age of 60 but also for the younger."

An infection rate of 90 per 100,000 is 0.0009%.

Most adults in the US who want to be vaccinated have by now done that. Those that do not have not. Covid hospitalizations today are overwhelmingly of the unvaccinated, with deaths almost exclusively so.

It's time to let it ride, open things up and discard notions of masking.

Let Covid burn itself out with herd immunity before a variant develops immune to vaccines. People, not government, are responsible for their own and their families health. Choices must be made.

With this approach, avoidable deaths will occur among all age groups. Perhaps a sharp rise in mortality rates persuades some to get vaccinated.

Regardless, time to move on and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted by Anonymous95
Member since Sep 2014
2078 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:30 pm to
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please look at the death rates before and after the vaccination rollout

Wait, I thought this is “only a pandemic of the unvaccinated” now. How would the death rate be any different due to the vaccine rollout?
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 6:30 pm
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7847 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:31 pm to
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And for the poster that said the vaccine was completely worthless, please look at the death rates before and after the vaccination rollout


The poliboard refuses to acknowledge this. Those retards are leaking over to the OT.
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
Member since Jul 2012
17940 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:33 pm to
Because half the people are now vaccinated? Are you really dumb enough to not get the difference?
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 6:39 pm
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
25749 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:37 pm to
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Wait, I thought this is “only a pandemic of the unvaccinated” now. How would the death rate be any different due to the vaccine rollout
What? This makes absolutely no sense.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:39 pm to
This is working as advertised. Not sure why so many have a surprised Pikachu face about this.

They said it was 90%+ effective at preventing severe cases that require hospitalizations or result in death. They never said it prevents you from getting the actual virus.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49038 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:39 pm to
You're melting in every thread
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6498 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:47 pm to
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Exactly. Quit calling it a vaccine IT’S NOT! Same reason we don’t call a flu shot a vaccine. It’s not a vaccine.



they're both vaccines. lmao.
Posted by Anonymous95
Member since Sep 2014
2078 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:51 pm to
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Because half the people are now vaccinated? Are you really dumb enough to not get the difference?

Rate would be deaths / infections. If 97% of vaccinated people aren’t contracting the virus, the pool of infections would be unvaccinated. Since those people don’t have the vaccine, it wouldn’t lower the death rate. You should see a very similar death rate as pre-vaccine for that population. This is of course unless we’re now admitting that you have about the same chance of infection if you’re vaccinated.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27706 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:52 pm to
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This shite is going to have to just be accepted as another strain of the flu. .05% will die. The rest of us will be fine.


Fixed it for you. This isn't going to just run its course. Humanity is just going to have to learn to live with it.

China literally has altered human history.
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