re: Israeli Health Chief, "vaccine effectiveness is roughly 40 percent"

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They never said it prevents you from getting the actual virus.

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They were using figures as high as 97% that you wouldn’t get the virus. They also said that if you’re vaccinated, you can’t spread the virus. Everyday, more information is trickling out that neither of these things are the case.

I’m glad it makes you less sick when you catch it but the concern is that we are seeing more and more talk of restricting the movements of Americans that are not vaccinated. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people that are not adversely effected by these types of viruses and would rather not take a vaccine. It’s not political for us, we just don’t want it and we know we don’t need it to prevent us from getting sick. So if the virus won’t get us sick and the vaccine won’t prevent us from passing it to someone else, don’t restrict us.

If you’re concerned with getting sick, get vaccinated. It’s becoming more apparent every day that those of us that aren’t vaccinated have nothing to do with your chance of catching it.

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Quit calling it a vaccine IT’S NOT!

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They are vaccines.

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Same reason we don’t call a flu shot a vaccine. It’s not a vaccine.

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The flu shots are also vaccines.

Hasn’t Israel already been called out for bad science and info? Still, jackwagons gonna be around the water cooler tomorrow passing this as fact, and that’s why we’re in this perpetual clusterfrick.

Get vaccinated. Wear a mask around others. It’s really not that fricking hard people.

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It’s becoming more apparent every day that those of us that aren’t vaccinated have nothing to do with your chance of catching it.

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What a fricking moron.

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They trust whoever reenforces their opinion that the vaccines don't work or are bad for you, even if they have to go to an Israeli website to find it.

He uses this a quote from an Israeli dr as a gotcha while ignoring the thousands of drs and scientists that say the vaccines work.

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I don't think you paid much attention to what the doctor said. Nor do I think you have paid much attention to the fact that the Israelis have been pretty much ahead of the curve in regards to studying the vaccines.

This doesn't mean what the OP thinks it means, but it certainly doesn't mean what you think it means.

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They were using figures as high as 97% that you wouldn’t get the virus.

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That figure was determined in trials, and I believe the study period was for 2 months after vaccination. It's probably reasonably accurate for that period of time.

If someone ever suggested to you that immunity was permanent, they were either lying or stupid. None of the pharmas suggested that it would be permanent. I've never heard or read anything credible that said immunity would be permanent. Quite the opposite, we have long known that almost no immunity is permanent. We have booster shots for all sorts of shite. Protection wanes over time unless we "retrain" the body.

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They also said that if you’re vaccinated, you can’t spread the virus.

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Who is "they"? This sounds like something anti-vax folks made up just to spread distrust. If it was obviously already known from trials that vaccinated people could, in fact, still become infected, why would anyone say that vaccinated people couldn't spread the virus? That doesn't make any sense. Further, vaccines are not silver bullets. Virus still enters the body, it still infects some cells, it still does what it does. A vaccine just gives the body a head start on defending against it. It can prevent a detectable infection, and it can reduce symptoms, but it can't totally prevent a person from spreading the virus.

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Everyday, more information is trickling out that neither of these things are the case.

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None of this is "trickling out". The unknowns are we don't know how long immunity lasts, neither in vaccinated nor recovered people. The information that comes out each day gives us more of an idea as to these unknowns, but they are still mostly unknown. This has always been the case.

I feel like you just pay attention to the wrong "information". Fake news, if you will.

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The risk of vaccinating almost everyone so fast is you put evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate and thus the delta variate and many variants after that.

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Biology doesn't work that way with simple organisms.* The more roadblocks you put up to a simple organisms survival does not produce more or specific mutations. The only thing that increases mutations is increased reproduction cycles and even then they are not intelligent they are simply rolls of the genetic dice. Anything that reduces the spread of a disease and severity of infections also reduces the number of mutations and number of chances a mutation is able to end run whatever roadblock is there. If what you postulate were true vaccines would never work and we would be dealing with "super smallpox" and "uber polio".



* more complex organisms can respond differently to evolutionary pressure because at a certain level of intelligence the animal can choose whom it reproduces with which is not the case with a virus.

Everyone is falling in line arguing with each other about vaccines. Our overlords and their media minions are pleased

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So it prevents severe disease at a very high effectiveness level,

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Why would you believe this? These same people told you in March that vaccines are at 95% confidence that you wont get, or pass the virus. Now they openly admit its down to 30%, and you are as likely to pass the disease as the unvaxxed.

Why in God's name would you believe that the vaccine is still highly effective at stopping serious effects? The health chief also clearly states that the longer you have the vaccine the more likely you are to be hospitalized!

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and so that population is likely to get more representation.

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No, we were clearly told all populations would get zero representation across all demographics. You cannot sell me on that, and then months later when it isn't true, try to claim this was the case all along. Because it was not.

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“Vaccinated people do not carry the virus – they don’t get sick,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday.

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Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are very effective. In clinical trials, the Pfizer vaccine was shown to be 95% effective and the Moderna vaccine 94% effective at protecting participants from COVID-19. Both vaccines were shown to be safe and effective across all gender, age, race and ethnicity groups.

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So you can stop making up claims that were never part of the original conversation. And stop parroting blatant lies that attempt to deflect from the pending massive failures.

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The CEO of German biotechnology company BioNTech said the protection provided by his company’s (COVID-19) vaccine will wane after seven months. “Antibody levels are dropping seven months after immunization among vaccine recipients,” said BioNTech CEO Ugur Sahin.

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