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Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:20 am to
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:20 am to
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If you want to, you can dig up videos of the Israelis dragging the dead, or urinating on corpses


did Israeli citizens cheer this on? is this expected behavior or out of the norm so it stands out? is it written in or taught by Israeli military?

were the corpses Hamas military targets or random civilians?

not denying there are dipshits in the military, especially when you have forced service like over there. but it’s not equivalent at all

Hamas didn’t launch a surprise attack on the IDF on 10/7, they stormed and brutally tortured and murdered civilians, men, women, children, elderly, anyone they could find. show me where Israelis or the IDF has done that
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299143 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:22 am to
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They treat the Palestinians, anyone who isn’t them really, like animals,



Tends to happen when the other side refuses to accept a 2 state solution.

Hamas fricked up, Gaza will be in ruins and its the fault of Palestine leadership.

Lets deal with reality here.

Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21745 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:32 am to
Time to gentrify Gaza Strip into Gaza Strip Boulevard
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299143 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:35 am to
The only sane solution is Hamas eliminated, even Palestinian supporters should think so.

But in reality they support Hamas. They dont want Israel ridding Gaza of Hamas.

They want the war stopped.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:46 am to
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:53 am to
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The only sane solution is Hamas eliminated, even Palestinian supporters should think so.


Right. Still have plenty of sympathies for the people of Gaza, but 10/7 demonstrated the status quo cannot stand.

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They want the war stopped.


Much like the situation in Ukraine, wanting a ceasefire simply is to reward the belligerents for their actions. And since the Hamas position is basically "we'll fricking do it again, over and over till youre all dead"...no it isnt time to stop yet.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:04 am to
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And since the Hamas position is basically "we'll fricking do it again, over and over till youre all dead"...no it isnt time to stop yet.

This is why Israel can't stop this time. They have to completely destroy Hamas' ability to wage war and make things so insufferable for the citizens of Gaza that they rebel against Hamas.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75109 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:06 am to
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You can see that with the bombing, and the double tap, of the refugee camp.


You're still going to go with this disingenuous bullshite? Really?

It was a "refugee camp"? Those bombings killed a terrorist leader and at least 50 of his terrorist minions. He also wasn't the first terrorist leader to be killed at a "refugee camp" since these animals decided to do what they did. frick off out of here with your "refugee camp" horseshite.

ETA: Your "refugee camp" is today a city of 200,000 with a major terrorist hub operating within it. It has been built up by Hamas with tunnels and munitions storage. As the survivors buried the dead following the bombings that killed those terrorists rockets fired toward Israel from within the confines of the "refugee camp". Jabalia hasn't been a refugee camp in any sense of the word in decades.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 11:23 am
Posted by Enzos Tiny Pito
Member since Oct 2019
2231 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:06 am to
I never really got the Hamas end game (although maybe it was just to kill Jews then get the virgins)

Were they just assuming they could kill 1500 people with no response?

We're they trying to get the border countries, most of whom hate them to join in a war against a country that has obliterated them in multiple wars all which took less then 6 months?

Did they get Intel that the US would make the isrealis stand down and the west would save them?

This seems like it always was going to have one conclusion
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24238 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:12 am to
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I never really got the Hamas end game

I've seen it hypothesized that they didn't really expect it to be as successful as it was and just happened to catch the Israeli security asleep at the wheel.

Kinda makes sense when you listen to all the calls for a cease fire. It's only Hamas and their supporters calling for that. They are the proverbial dog that finally caught the car and they know they're in way over their head.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
41542 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:14 am to
I'm curious how far Germany's antisemite laws go.

Considering how much the pro-Palestine types hate Jews, they may have no choice but to ban their protests.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 11:16 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75109 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:19 am to
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Kinda makes sense when you listen to all the calls for a cease fire. It's only Hamas and their supporters calling for that. They are the proverbial dog that finally caught the car and they know they're in way over their head.

The calls for a ceasefire don't amount to much when your "leaders" are publicly saying they will do what they did "again and again" and directly asking children and old folks to die for them.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 11:51 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75109 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:25 am to
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Lima Whiskey

Since you probably downvoted before reading my addendum, I'm reposting it here.

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ETA: Your "refugee camp" is today a city of 200,000 with a major terrorist hub operating within it. It has been built up by Hamas with tunnels and munitions storage. As the survivors buried the dead following the bombings that killed those terrorists rockets fired toward Israel from within the confines of the "refugee camp". Jabalia hasn't been a refugee camp in any sense of the word in decades.


Excuse me, I should have said, "As the survivors buried the "martyrs"....".
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 11:28 am
Posted by Enzos Tiny Pito
Member since Oct 2019
2231 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:33 am to
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I've seen it hypothesized that they didn't really expect it to be as successful as it was and just happened to catch the Israeli security asleep at the wheel. Kinda makes sense when you listen to all the calls for a cease fire. It's only Hamas and their supporters calling for that. They are the proverbial dog that finally caught the car and they know they're in way over their head.


I assume they we're most likely thinking it would be more of a skirmish with IDF possibly take a few hostages, go home to all the Allah Akbar's you're probably correct. They got in and went full bloodlust mode which never helped their cause for lack of retribution especially with the way they treated the hostages after.

The ceasefire is just desperation obviously and obviously most of their supporters are people who hate war anyways in addition to them not really understanding the situation. If it was an act against America Gaza would be gone already. Unfortunately for us the current president feels the need to pander to them for whatever reason especially with his administrations stop Muslim hate shite today.

Almost like they are just ignoring the people openly mistreating Jews so they can get minimal votes ( if he would have handled this normally he's probably getting more votes then the"queers for Palestine" would ever give him anyways)
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:38 am to
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Unfortunately for us the current president feels the need to pander to them for whatever reason especially with his administrations stop Muslim hate shite today.


They put out an anti-semitism plan (for whatever the frick thats worth) earlier this year too. This "islamaphobia" plan (for whatever the frick thats worth) is a continuation of that.
Posted by Enzos Tiny Pito
Member since Oct 2019
2231 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:40 am to
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They put out an anti-semitism plan (for whatever the frick thats worth) earlier this year too. This "islamaphobia" plan (for whatever the frick thats worth) is a continuation of that.


Did not know that I appreciate it
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
37401 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:46 am to
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never really got the Hamas end game


bloodlust and low IQ

they have no real concept of that world and what military want war actually is.

the propaganda video of them with their “underwater missile” is proof of this
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109225 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:02 pm to
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When you can’t argue the facts or the law, you name call. You suck up everything the media tell you then vomit it back. But this much is certain, if we were face to face, you’d be more civil.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299143 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:06 pm to
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This is why Israel can't stop this time.


If they, they just have to live like this for another generation.

A free Palestine is a "Hamas free Palestine."
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8641 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:09 pm to
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I never really got the Hamas end game (although maybe it was just to kill Jews then get the virgins)

Were they just assuming they could kill 1500 people with no response?

We're they trying to get the border countries, most of whom hate them to join in a war against a country that has obliterated them in multiple wars all which took less then 6 months?

Did they get Intel that the US would make the isrealis stand down and the west would save them?

This seems like it always was going to have one conclusion


The real target, as it were, was the Saudi relationship with Israel. They are trying to kill that rapprochement before it germinates into something more fruitful.

If Israel fully normalizes relations with KSA, then that just leaves a couple of basket case countries - that aren't even really nation states any longer - in Syria and Hezb'allah-controlled southern Lebanon with a distant Iran as the only real enemies left in the region.

Notice the Jords, the Egyptians, and the Saudis have done and said exactly jack shite since this all started. Their play is pretty clear here.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 12:11 pm
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