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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page
Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:53 am to tilthatday
Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:53 am to tilthatday
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Just in case you care about reality.
The opinion of an NGO like HRW is definitely not "reality".
Not sure how Israel can implement a system of oppression on Palestinians in Gaza seeing as how they haven't had any sort of presence inside Gaza for nearly 20 years.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 7:56 am
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:54 am to IAmNERD
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I wouldn't bet on it. All they do is throw out something that Israel does and it "justifies" their antisemitic views. Or they'll just redefine antisemitism so they can co tinge to spew their hatred. Just look at the "antizionism" vs "antisemitism" garbage they use to justify it to themselves all the time.
Those types will NEVER admit that they might have been wrong on anything.
For the hardcore leftists, especially those indoctrinated by our universities, this is very true.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:55 am to Darth_Vader
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Explain for us this so-called apartheid that Israel is guilty of.
I’ll wait.
Seriously?
They treat the Palestinians, anyone who isn’t them really, like animals, and that’s not to say anything of the Palestinians, but to observe how the Israelis behave
I had a friend and mentor who was threatened, while observing a disturbance in Bethlehem, he was told by a soldier I would shoot you if there weren’t cameras here , and himself watched those badly disciplined conscripts taking potshots at old women, to entertain themselves. The ground forces are boys leading children, and they behave badly. That’s been true for decades.
You can see that with the bombing, and the double tap, of the refugee camp. They clearly didn’t give a damn about who was there, civilians or militants. Kill ‘‘em all.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:00 am to tilthatday
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2021 Human Rights Watch (HRW) put out a report noting that the Israeli government engaged in “systematic oppression of Palestinians and inhumane acts,” which ultimately “amount to the crime of apartheid.” In 2022, Amnesty International reached a similar conclusion, saying that the Israeli state “imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians” that “amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.” That same year, Michael Lynk, then the UN special rapporteur focused on human rights in occupied Palestinian territories, stated that the Israeli government used a “deeply discriminatory dual legal and political system,” which privileges Israeli Jewish settlers while disadvantaging Palestinian residents in these areas. (Lynk’s position was based on his review of Israeli government policies and does not reflect the position of the UN as an institution, which has a commission currently investigating this charge.) Some Israel scholars and former Israeli officials have also started using this designation. In 2022, Michael Ben-Yair, a former attorney general of Israel, said that “it is with great sadness ... I must also conclude that my country has sunk to such political and moral depths that it is now an apartheid regime.” Earlier this year, Tamir Pardo, a former head of Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency, emphasized, too, that “there is an apartheid state here” featuring “two people [who] are judged under two legal systems.” In protests and critiques of the Israeli government’s military actions this month, political leaders and activists around the world have often referenced the term while condemning the country’s policies. So maybe “apartheid” applies.
Here’s a prime example of the leftist indoctrination I was just speaking about. Sadly, for those among us with a feeble mind and a proclivity for gullibility, leftist propaganda is quite effective.
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tilthatday
Yes, I’m calling you both feeble minded and gullible. And I’m doing it because you’ve proven these things are true about yourself. Sadly though, like all stupid people, you’re too stupid to realize you’re stupid. I pity you.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:06 am to Lima Whiskey
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They treat the Palestinians, anyone who isn’t them really, like animals,
So, I’m guessing you’re just pretending the Palestinians haven’t been conducting a terror campaign against Israel for decades. And I’m guessing you’re also pretending Israel didn’t give Gaza to the Palestinians free and clear only for the Palestinians to elect Hamas, a known terrorist organization who’s founding charter states the destruction of Israel as its chief goal and reason for existence.
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You can see that with the bombing, and the double tap, of the refugee camp. They clearly didn’t give a damn about who was there, civilians or militants. Kill ‘‘em all.
And I see you’re pretending Hamas doesn’t use civilians as human shields. That they don’t build tunnels under hospitals to use as ammo dumps and command centers, that they don’t place rocket launchers next to schools and apartment buildings.
You live in a fantasy world, built on leftist propaganda and lies.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:19 am to tilthatday
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Human Rights Watch (HRW)
LOL
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:32 am to Darth_Vader
“Leftist indoctrination “.
When you can’t argue the facts or the law, you name call. You suck up everything the media tell you then vomit it back. But this much is certain, if we were face to face, you’d be more civil.
When you can’t argue the facts or the law, you name call. You suck up everything the media tell you then vomit it back. But this much is certain, if we were face to face, you’d be more civil.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:34 am to Lima Whiskey
quote:uh-oh….mean words were said??
I had a friend and mentor who was threatened, while observing a disturbance in Bethlehem, he was told by a soldier I would shoot you if there weren’t cameras here
I wonder what the Palestinian would’ve “said” if the roles were reversed and he was the one holding the gun??
quote:so they toss the deceased in the bed of their trucks and parade them around town proudly, while allowing children to spit on dead women?? Oh wait, that would be….nevermind. I’m wasting my time.
They treat the Palestinians, anyone who isn’t them really, like animals
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:35 am to tilthatday
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You suck up everything the media tell you then vomit it back.
Pretty rich from someone that cited HRW to try and make a point.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:41 am to tilthatday
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Decades of Israeli apartheid make everything they do suspect.
frick you, you antisemitic piece of shite.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:50 am to IAmNERD
quote:what they are referring to is Palestinians inside Israel.
The opinion of an NGO like HRW is definitely not "reality".
Not sure how Israel can implement a system of oppression on Palestinians in Gaza seeing as how they haven't had any sort of presence inside Gaza for nearly 20 years.
Inside Israel they are not citizens and have reduced privileges and rights. They do not get the same services as a citizen. They have to undergo extra security, etc.
They also can not freely travel from Palestinian areas into Israel; it is highly restricted.
This is based on the presumption that Israel IS Palestine. So they can claim apartheid within the borders of Israel because Israel itself is the occupied area.
Neat trick they do.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:53 am to tilthatday
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Leftist indoctrination “. When you can’t argue the facts or the law, you name call.
I’m not name calling, I’m stating facts. You’ve proven that you’ve been indoctrinated by leftist propaganda. That much is indisputable. I’m sorry you’re blind to this fact.
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You suck up everything the media tell you then vomit it back. But this much is certain, if we were face to face, you’d be more civil.
Again you’re very wrong. If what you claimed were true, I’d be agreeing with you instead of pointing out you’ve fallen for media lies. As for being more civil, I say what I say no matter if it’s on here or in real life. My mom taught me a saying when I was a child; “the truth will stand when the world is on fire”. I took that saying to heart. So, I assure you, what I’m saying here, I would have no hesitation to say face to face. If that seems “uncivil” to you, I’m sorry. But the truth should always be spoken, even if it makes you uncomfortable.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:01 am to MrLSU
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Israel has continued to advance towards the coast, south of Gaza city. They are less than 800 metres away from cutting Gaza in two.
They have also made progress along the coast to the north, as well as advancing within Beit Hanoun
The #IDF have also expanded in some areas in the south of Gaza, along the border fence.
They're going pretty slowly and methodically which is good IMO. This is a brutal environment. They've lost about 15 KIA including a Lt Col in the last couple of days so you can tell it's a very hard fight. Hamas is really well armed for a terrorist group, they have tons of ATGMs, night vision capabilities, thermals, and they've turned large parts of the Israeli approach routes into minefields.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:07 am to mattfromnj
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They've lost about 15 KIA including a Lt Col in the last couple of days so you can tell it's a very hard fight.
7 of those were from one incident where Hamas struck an armored personnel carrier with ATGMS. Wounded 4 more.
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Seven soldiers of the Givati Infantry Brigade's Tzabar Battalion were killed when their armored personnel carrier was hit by an anti-tank missile fired by Hamas, with an additional four soldiers wounded in the incident.
The New Arab newspaper
Make no mistake, it's going to be bloody. Bloody, but necessary.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:36 am to IAmNERD
Just watched the largest staged mass civilian casaulty event in an active market on a Pro Hamas Telegram channel. Just fully intac civilians layed out with whatever blood thrown on them while folks are stepping over them. Claiming that the Zionist bombed them.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:56 am to Lima Whiskey
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Lima Whiskey
Israeli Arab discusses Israel “apartheid”
She is an Arab Muslim who was given welfare, education, healthcare. Her mother is illiterate and only 3% of her community finish high school.
She was able to come America and got her Electrical Engineering degree and Masters from Stanford.
Your anecdotal story about one IDF guard saying mean things or making a off color/disturbing joke, while “bad” isn’t the same as ethnic slaughter of civilians. His joke is not the reason Hamas and Palestinians want all Jews killed.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 10:06 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:03 am to Darth_Vader
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So, I’m guessing you’re just pretending the Palestinians haven’t been conducting a terror campaign against Israel for decades. And I’m guessing you’re also pretending Israel didn’t give Gaza to the Palestinians free and clear only for the Palestinians to elect Hamas, a known terrorist organization who’s founding charter states the destruction of Israel as its chief goal and reason for existence.
They’ve been like this since the days of the mandate, stringing up and murdering British soldiers. This isn’t new. It’s been this way from the beginning.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:04 am to UFownstSECsince1950
If you want to, you can dig up videos of the Israelis dragging the dead, or urinating on corpses
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:12 am to Lima Whiskey
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you can dig up videos of the Israelis dragging the dead, or urinating on corpses
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