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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:48 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:48 am to Darth_Vader
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Left wingers want to turn the US into a Marxist/Leninist totalitarian state
Everything modern Democrats do is through this lens. My thought is that Iran being an enemy of the USA, must be a friend to the Marxist regardless of the fact that Iran is a religious Theocracy, which they pretend on the outside to hate. (We know they lie)
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:49 am to NATidefan
quote:it will no longer be self governing. There will be a military action, soon, to eliminate as many leaders AND fighters followed by a long term police action to round up the survivors.
So what's Israel's End Game with Gaza?
They going mow it down and move everyone out and take over?
Or just give them a spanking and have it happen again in 15 years?
Sympathizers and fellow traveler will not be distinct groups, they will be included.
The political cover/logic/PR is that the Palestinian Authority, recognized by several countries including Egypt and Israel, considers Gaza as "occupied" by Hamas as an illigimate government thus Israel is "supporting its peace partner the Palestinian Authority"
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:50 am to White Roach
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They manufactured 155mm artillery shells. One type I remember was an airburst shell that rained down small (smaller than a grenade) sized submunitions attached to streamers. I seem to remember there were 88 submunitions per round. I don't recall how big of area one shell would cover. What I do remember is being told that the bomblets could defeat the top armor of a Soviet tank.
The 155mm shells with 88 sub-munitions is the M483A1. The ribbons cause the submunition to spin in flight which arms the fuze. I think the nomenclature for the bomblets are M42 and M46 I cant remember which is anti-material and which is anti-personnel. IIRC the anti-material can penetrate about 2-3 inches of armor. These are still in use today but the more modern bomblets are (sorta) round and have no streamer vs being cylindrical with a streamer. They have a not-quite-round shape (hard to explain) that causes them to spin. IIRC the effective area for the M483A1 is about a 200m circle.
The problem with all cluster munitions is the number of UXOs (unexploded ordinance) they leave behind. I have no idea what types are in use in Gaza but some are as high as 20% where the improved DPICMs the US has (or had) are down under a 3% dud rate.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:52 am to dallastigers
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How are they refugees while in Gaza?
I meant they are refugees now.
So the sooner they realize that Gaza is going to be pummeled the better their chances of survival.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:57 am to lsupride87
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Imagine someone gives you the choice, murder 5,000 innocent enemy women and children to save 50k of your own soldiers. What is the “right” choice as an elected leader who is sworn to protect the people that elected him?
I dont think people understand what actually happens in war. You dont go play rock,paper,scissors and losers just leaves.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
The foot soliders are brainwashed into the Marxist (I would submit Maoist) ideology. However, the elites are motivated by greed. I highly suggest watching the Mike Benz X video I posted. It’s 12 minutes but very enlightening. He pulls the curtain back on why the Iran Nuclear Deal is their cause…..money, money, money
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:02 am to ABearsFanNMS
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Off $816M in aid was given to Palestinian organizations.
Again, Hamas is not Palestine.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:02 am to AGGIES
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So the sooner they realize that Gaza is going to be pummeled the better their chances of survival.
AFAIK the crossing at Rafah into Egypt is closed right now. If this is still the case the only way out of Gaza is sea or air, the latter being more or less impossible. They are more or less stuck in Gaza at present.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Everything modern Democrats do is through this lens. My thought is that Iran being an enemy of the USA, must be a friend to the Marxist regardless of the fact that Iran is a religious Theocracy, which they pretend on the outside to hate. (We know they lie)
It's interesting how statements like this continue to be allowed on this site. I know the admins are generally fairly right-leaning, but this is just nonsensical partisan rhetoric that has no value to the conversation.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:06 am to Havoc
quote:Of course it’s a random guess. How about this
How is that math figured? Random guess? Sounds like you’re trying to equivocate.
Kill 5k enemy innocent women and children to save 500 of your own soldiers? What’s the right call?
I’ll answer. The right call is to kill the innocent women and children and save the 500 soldiers. Your duty is to your citizens
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 8:07 am
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:10 am to Obtuse1
quote:And rightfully so
They are more or less stuck in Gaza at present.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:10 am to Jester
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Again, Hamas is not Palestine.
No shite Sherlock! But $816M was turned back on even though our military and IC advised not to because you can not track it to ensure it is for humanitarian support. Do a damn Google search and there are numerous articles on how money ear marked for valid things get stolen and used to fund Hamas.
And maybe you are not as smart as you think you are. Some of us, like Burnt, actually spent a lot of time working over there……
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 8:12 am
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:16 am to Jester
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Again, Hamas is not Palestine.
Hamas leads Gaza and runs Gaza City.
They are one and the same. Palestinians have supported Hamas for decades.
After 40-50 years you think they would have gotten the point by now, but it looks like they haven't and more deadly lessons need to be learned.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:18 am to lsupride87
Hamas is putting out all kinds of stuff trying to get everyone to rush the Israeli borders in support of them.
I figure some dumbfricks will do this but that a bunch of other Islamic organizations will get tired of these assholes trying to drag them into the mess they caused.
I figure some dumbfricks will do this but that a bunch of other Islamic organizations will get tired of these assholes trying to drag them into the mess they caused.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:22 am to Obtuse1
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AFAIK the crossing at Rafah into Egypt is closed right now. If this is still the case the only way out of Gaza is sea or air, the latter being more or less impossible. They are more or less stuck in Gaza at present.
What I don’t understand is it’s just a steel wall to Egypt right? And hamas has explosives? Surprising to me they don’t blow some of it up, at least a rogue person that wants out.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:24 am to baldona
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What I don’t understand is it’s just a steel wall to Egypt right? And hamas has explosives? Surprising to me they don’t blow some of it up, at least a rogue person that wants out.
It’s a lot more than that now since Hamas attacked & killed Egyptian troops.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:34 am to baldona
Egypt experienced the Muslim Brotherhood and will not let that happen again. The Coptic Christians (the real power players in Egypt) absolutely abhor the Palestinians.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:36 am to baldona
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What I don’t understand is it’s just a steel wall to Egypt right? And hamas has explosives? Surprising to me they don’t blow some of it up, at least a rogue person that wants out.
A wall covered by direct and indirect fire is not a mere wall.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:36 am to teke184
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Hamas is putting out all kinds of stuff trying to get everyone to rush the Israeli borders in support of them.
I figure some dumbfricks will do this but that a bunch of other Islamic organizations will get tired of these assholes trying to drag them into the mess they caused.
My uneducated guess: Have a bunch of civilians rally at the border, militants mixed in who will provoke gun fire, hope women and children are gunned down by the Israelis, turn the tide of public opinion
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:37 am to teke184
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I figure some dumbfricks will do this
As long as they stay.
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