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re: Is this justified self defense?
Posted on 7/7/24 at 5:01 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 7/7/24 at 5:01 pm to Jcorye1
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I love these threads. I generally come in fired up, get a tad embarrassed because I'm not a legal expert.
No reason at all to be embarrassed. Attorneys get a bad rap for "never wanting to give a straight answer", but the reality is that we generally aren't obfuscating: shite's just usually fricking complicated
Nothing wrong with coming in hot with an opinion, as long as you're willing to reasonably re-examine that opinion once you're presented with more information
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Posted on 7/7/24 at 5:03 pm to Jcorye1
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I love these threads. I generally come in fired up, get a tad embarrassed because I'm not a legal expert.
Don't worry about it. Just watch LSUpride it doesn't bother him in the least.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 5:14 pm to Falco
Not from what I saw
He was hit and on the ground but looked like the other was just looking at him and continuing the attack.
Felt more like retaliation to me than preventing death or serious bodily harm. Not saying that the aggreasor would not have resumed the attack later but at the time of the shooting he seemed to have pulled back.
I think he was a little to fast to move to deadly force
He was hit and on the ground but looked like the other was just looking at him and continuing the attack.
Felt more like retaliation to me than preventing death or serious bodily harm. Not saying that the aggreasor would not have resumed the attack later but at the time of the shooting he seemed to have pulled back.
I think he was a little to fast to move to deadly force
Posted on 7/7/24 at 5:16 pm to novabill
Assuming we don’t get additional video, not a justified shoot by what we have
Posted on 7/7/24 at 5:16 pm to novabill
quote:The guy in the black wasn’t part of the actual fight it doesn’t appear. He hit him because he had a gun
Not saying that the aggreasor would not have resumed the attack later but at the time of the shooting he seemed to have pulled back.
This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 7/7/24 at 5:41 pm to Falco
Yes. The bigger guy was moving to jump on him and keep beating on him.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 5:45 pm to Falco
Was that a water gun? Thing didn't make a sound
Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:14 pm to Falco
Not surprising someone in that crowd sucker punched him.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:16 pm to TDTOM
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Don't worry about it. Just watch LSUpride it doesn't bother him in the least.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:19 pm to Falco
My humble opinion, you get sucker punched like that, and you're about to get group stomped, pull it. Fully justified.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:19 pm to Falco
how many freaknik shootings were there under Giuliani's watch?
Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:21 pm to Jcorye1
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I loved Denver, but I left when it became apparent if anything happened, they'd cheerily throw me in jail for the rest of my life
Some of you really do love your self-persecution fantasy porn.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:26 pm to BluegrassBelle
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He absolutely has a right to pull his gun at that point. FAFO.
This
Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:50 pm to Falco
Justified, hit from behind and without context it appears that he was outnumbered. Not sure if all of them were against him but it appears at least it wasn't one on one.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:21 pm to BluegrassBelle
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He absolutely has a right to pull his gun at that point. FAFO.
Exactly.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:30 pm to Falco
justified in self defense, but still deserves some form of charge.
You don't carry and actively engage in a fist fight, then pull.
If I am carrying, I'm not getting in a physical altercation with someone. I'm talking it down or pulling to prevent a fight.
You don't carry and actively engage in a fist fight, then pull.
If I am carrying, I'm not getting in a physical altercation with someone. I'm talking it down or pulling to prevent a fight.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:33 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Justified, hit from behind and without context it appears that he was outnumbered.
Outnumbered in and of itself is irrelevant. For example gun guy was the aggressor and blue shirt no gun guy was not 50 people can jump in to defend him and all are protected under the law until they cross a line in the particular jurisdiction which will vary and normally a jury question.
There is also another issue that could be at play but generally unlikely. The "aggressor" can change within an altercation (at least in most jurisdictions). If the aggressor breaks off the attack and moves away in time and distance there is a point (again local law that likely will end up a jury question, technically a trier of fact question since the defendant could request a bench trial) where if the former victim reengages he could then be considered the aggressor for the following actions. This is also reinforced in NY due to the duty to retreat.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:36 pm to Obtuse1
You're doing god's work, Obtuse. I just don't have it in me today to give any more than I already have
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:55 pm to Falco
No he should have let them beat the shite out of him and risk them beating him until he died. There is no debate, that was justified.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 9:17 pm to BluegrassBelle
That dude was going to straight up shoot someone after getting knocked down. Watched it 15x.
He was then hit from behind. Then he shot the dude
This is a perfect storm of what was just or not.
I’m a conceal carry permit owner and I’m torn on this.
He was then hit from behind. Then he shot the dude
This is a perfect storm of what was just or not.
I’m a conceal carry permit owner and I’m torn on this.
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