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re: Is there anything that I should know before trade school?

Posted on 10/2/23 at 11:38 am to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31391 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 11:38 am to
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GTFO of here messing up a good thread with facts, baw!!!!


NO man WELDERS BRO....WELDING IS WHERE IT IS AT!!! I know a guy


oh wait






Well HVAC....it has to be HVAC right???





well shite...got to be in the plants to make money!!! I know

well frick!!!!



OP you can make money in the trades, but outside operations and instrumentation or going and traveling on the pipeline/oil field you arent going to come close to 100k. and even with the ones above, you only make 100k+ if you work a lot of OT or 20 years experience where you are supervising people. This notion that you are going to be doing so well is bullshite and this board eats up like they do every new blue bell flavor.


you can still do whatever you want, just follow those 7 rules i laid out above. no matter if its college trade school or 2 year degree....what ever you decide to do...the ones that are the hardest to complete in school are going to be the better jobs long term. nothing is going to be handed to you. You should really look into 2 year degree and be open to moving.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 11:38 am to
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$75k.Not bad for a kid under 24 years old


maybe that's true,

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but the ceiling might be low.


this, maybe the kid is working a ton of over time, but

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Sounds like hard work for modest pay as one grows older.




Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31391 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 11:41 am to
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My nephew graduated hs in 2019. Received a scholarship to a diesel mechanic school in Houston. 100% job placement when finished. Went to work at a diesel dealership for $62k at 20 years old. One job move later and he's making around $75k.Not bad for a kid under 24 years old.



great...and what is his future? where is the growth? its not bad at all, but everyone cant be a diesel mechanic and making that and are you sure you nephew isnt lying?




turning wrenches is cool and all until you are 50 and its hot AF and Hard AF and your body is beat to shite and you have no 401k.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 11:46 am to
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your body is beat to shite and you have no 401k.



and probably cancer from dealing with all of the toxic chemicals and from chain smoking all of those years, don't recall too meeting many mechanics that aren't chain smokers
Posted by George Dickel
Member since Jun 2019
1609 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 11:53 am to
It depends on what you are interested in. If you like the outdoors ( both hot and cold temps) then consider carpentry, hvac, welding, plumbing, etc. If you had rather be in an indoor environment than computers, electrical technology, robotics , etc.

My two sons both have associates degrees in electrical technology. One works for a nuclear plant as a nuclear planner…and the other works for a company making hypersonic missiles.. both making 6 figures. Neither one had any college debt.

So … start trying to decide your interests and do lots of research, visit your local community college, check for various apprenticeships. Good luck!
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 11:55 am
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14251 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 11:55 am to
I would recommend going to a jr college or online to at least learn some basics on accounting, finance, marketing, business law, etc. Youre goal will be to one day run your own operation and you’ll need to know these things. That’s the only way to get into any real money.

You’ll also need to know how many brand new F250s you can buy with down payments on upcoming projects without going bankrupt.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 12:00 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31391 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:01 pm to
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My two sons both have associates degrees in electrical technology. One works for a nuclear plant as a nuclear planner…and the other works for a company making hypersonic missiles.. both making 6 figures. Neither one had any college debt.


again not a trade school


why does the OT equate everything that is not a 4 year college to trade school ?

maybe thats why they like to claim all the trades make 6 figures...
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68393 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:03 pm to
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Posted by lsu777 on 10/2/23 at 11:38 am to 777Tiger


Have I been thinking you are the same poster all this time? Which is/was the airline pilot?
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:04 pm to
Dunno if it's been suggested but we have the largest port system in the country in our backyard that plenty don't seem to look at for jobs.

Like 777 said, don't do drugs. Not being able to piss clean closes so many doors immediately in industries throughout our area
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
21947 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:04 pm to
Im not sure what you going for but say you going for welding. Don't fall for the lie that you will be making $40 an hr straight out of school, it doesn't work that way. You will have to prove that you can show up for work, piss clean and you're not a frick up before you get top money.

My son went for Electrical, ended up getting hired on with a marine electrician company installing camera systems, KVH Units (TV and Internet) Steering systems, fuel flow, GPSs.... stuff like that. He doesn't make a lot hourly but they pay him to travel and pay his mileage so he does pretty well all things considered.

My advice would be don't expect to get top dollar straight out of school. You will have to earn your keep. Show up on time, an employer can teach you a lot of things but they won't teach you if you aren't dependable. Ask a lot of questions and make sure you understand your job task fully.
Posted by George Dickel
Member since Jun 2019
1609 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:14 pm to
Good point. My sons have been in the work force for about 15 years. They did not start out making big bucks. They had to prove themselves worthy of promotions.

What I’m saying is there’s potential if one works hard. A 4 year degree is not always the best track.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
6718 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:24 pm to
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Is there anything that I should know before trade school?

bitches be triflin
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31391 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:27 pm to
im the engineer and weirdo fitness guy and travel ball guy

he is the cool AF pilot

unfortunately.
Posted by noon0707
Saint Amant
Member since Sep 2010
194 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:29 pm to
Work hard and make quality work a priority in whatever trade you decide on and you can make a very comfortable living.The world needs more good quality tradesmen. I think you are making a good decision. Best of luck to you young man
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
21947 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:33 pm to
I read this whole thread and I see a lot of 100k a year a thrown around. If you truly want to make that without going to any school go find a company hiring a deckhands on a tugboat... Dupre Marine, Marquette, Triple S, Enterprise, Broussard Brothers, Blessed, Florida Marine, Lorris G, Turn Services, Kirby, Lebouef Brothers, D&S Marine, Genesis, Crosby Tugs. Be a deckhand for a year, tankerman in a year, steersman in 2, running a boat/relief captain in under 5 years.

Boat companies don't crew boats with foreign labor so the labor market is pretty good. The bad thing is your gone at least half the year, the good thing is you home at least 1/3 of the year.
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3273 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:14 pm to
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and here is where there's a bit of a fallacy of skipping college and going to trade school with the plan of being a business owner, it takes business skills to run a business, not just knowing how to turn a wrench


You don’t learn to run a business in college. Many of the biggest companies were all started by people without college degrees.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7220 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:59 pm to
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That's terrible pay. Go to college op.


IBEW Local 995 Baton Rouge Louisiana scale was $27.49 an hour last August (most recent scale a quick google search revealed). On top of that there is $6.00 an hour Health And Welfare (Health/Life/Disability Insurance) and 19.5% Pension (Local and International Pension. There is also a Contractors Association Pension that is probably around 25 cents an hour, not much but doesn't pay much either. No used here). Working assessments ate 4% and dues are probably around $80 a month with death benefits (death benefits are a cash life insurance policy paid to a deceased members family within a few hours of their being announced dead, tradition from a time when electricians could not but life insurance). All in that equals $38.42 and hour. At 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year that's $79,913.60. I suspect most 995 hands struggle to make 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year in Local 995's jurisdiction but there are no doubt shop hands in the jurisdiction who are making that and more. That is pretty typical for mid sized towns in the South. It looks like the only local making anything more than that in Louisiana is Local 130 in New Orleans. Difference would be about $12K a year.

Making $100K a year at 40 hours a week requires $48.08 and hour. Very few people making 48.08 an hour.

According to the US Census from 2020 the median income for someone with a bachelors degree in Louisiana was $50,723. The average income of all wage earners was $52,143. The electrician in local 995 is besting the average by a little better than a 1/3 and is doing so with no student loan debt and was being paid a wage commiserate with their experience level from day one. They will have better than average health and welfare benefits and far better retirement benefits than most employees in Lousiana. They will not have ANY paid time off however as Tradesmen do not traditionally get paid if they are not at work...they make enough money to not pretend their employer is giving them something they haven't earned.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7220 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:01 pm to
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You don’t learn to run a business in college. Many of the biggest companies were all started by people without college degrees.




Almost ALL contracting firms, especially specialty contracting firms, were stated initially by tradesmen skilled in the trade with some business sense. Many have morphed into multinational conglomerates ran by folks with stacks of papers proving they have been educated as well as money can do but they were initially started by some old boy with some skills and some balls....
Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
65851 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:02 pm to
Become a Marine Engineer

Learn about grades & varieties of Wheel Wash BEFORE you do your field work.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7220 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:04 pm to
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Work hard and make quality work a priority in whatever trade you decide on and you can make a very comfortable living.The world needs more good quality tradesmen. I think you are making a good decision. Best of luck to you young man




I am as big an advocate as there is for the trades but I will say that doing quality work in the trades is no longer as important as it once was due to technology. Electrical work, for example, used to require a pile of knowledge in geometry and trigonometry to run conduit. Most electrical work today consists of dragging what amounts to a drop cord from point a to point b and landing the wires.
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