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re: Is it acceptable for me to punish junior high(7-9 grade) kids for a loss?

Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:58 am to
Posted by casualobserver
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
239 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:58 am to
LINK

Worked well for Rick Barry. But you don’t sound like the type to consider this.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4974 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:58 am to
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Most of you didn't read the thread


I read the thread. And you’re making the same mistake many coaches who think they are coaches make. You are putting the blame on kids for making the mistakes.

1. Never punish a kid for lack of execution. Punish them for lack of effort or attitude.

2. Quit practicing skills until they get it right. Start practicing skills until they can’t get it wrong.

3. Mistakes made in a game fall on coaches and players. Mistakes made because of a lack of execution is your fault. Mistakes made because a kid was being lazy (understand that not being in shape and being able to run the court because of that isn’t lazy...you haven’t conditioned them enough) or just didn’t care is their fault.

It’s easy to say you’re going to run a kid because they made mistakes. It takes the blame off of you, and you just might think that the kid will decide to try harder next time to get it right. But that doesn’t work. It’s been documented and studied ad nauseam. They wanted to get it right. They just haven’t practiced it enough that they can’t get it wrong.

TLDR; practice the skill more. And by practicing the skill, please don’t be that coach that says “shoot it in the goal”. Study how your players are shooting. See where they can make adjustments and develop better form. Then drill that into them with reps, reps, and more reps. Tons of reps doing something the incorrect way is an absolute waste of time.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
30071 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:29 am to


Who says your kids aren't shooting free throws correctly? The kids are watching what their favorite NBA stars are doing these days. Its a trend and you should embrace the new free throw shooting styles even if they don't fit into your box of what's acceptable.
Posted by RebelVol
The Sip
Member since Aug 2016
4863 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:38 am to
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junior high(7-9 grade)
9th grade is still junior high?
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
69654 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 2:24 am to
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How do you not make fricking free throws pieces of shite


Maybe you shouldn’t be coaching children...
Posted by MissyTiger
Member since Nov 2018
538 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 3:08 am to
I bet your blood pressure is sky high.

Have you ever hit a player or an opponent?
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7236 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 4:47 am to
You can run Paxston, Hayden, and Kason all you want, but Jayce didn't even shoot a free throw. How dare you expect him to take their punishment?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49577 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 7:31 am to
Making kids run for ineffective performance is about the worst coaching tactic around.
Posted by MetrySaint24
Metairie
Member since Nov 2018
742 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:28 am to
You should be shooting free throws throughout practice in between drills. Just like an actual basketball game. There are no basketball games where everyone just stops for 10 minutes at the end of the game and shoots free throws. Also there aren’t many 7-9 grade games with crowds large enough where music is required to practice. Mostly it’s one idiot yelling right when they are about to shoot.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:35 am to
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How do you not make fricking free throws pieces of shite



So some junior high kids missed some free throws and lost a basketball game?

You come to an LSU sports message board and call them pieces of shite??

I think the best thing for these kids is to get a new coach who isn’t such an obvious dickhead.

Seriously you are an example of the worst kind of coach.
Posted by Blueprint
Member since Apr 2018
2187 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:35 am to
You sound like a good.coach.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10526 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:35 am to
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can make them run a suicide for every free throw they miss in practice and we can do that for the whole hour


Practice is an hour? This is the issue. You’re a shitty coach. Practice needs to be 3-4 hours a day, then at least an hour in the film room. You’ll never get the middle school championship or send any kids to the next level being that soft.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:37 am to
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Obviously they dont want to win bad enough so if their own intrinsic motivation isn't enough I'll have to give them extrinsic motivation


How old are these kids again?

Isn’t your job as a junior high coach to teach the game and make it fun for them.

At that level winning should be a secondary goal.

Sounds like you are their biggest problem.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:44 am to
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I'm pretty level headed



And you come here and call them pieces of shite?

That’s the exact opposite of level headed.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42509 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:46 am to
If kids don't like losing nothing you can do baw

You can make free throw practice more challenging

Conditioning laps based on how many out of ten free throws they make

Aka recreate the pressure of the shot
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42719 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:49 am to
Did they actually try and listen to you during the game, but just not execute perfectly? If hey Gabe maximum effort and listened to your coaching you shouldn’t discipline them. You should coach them better to make the free throws.

If they gave half arse effort or ignored instructions, yeah run em
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:51 am to
And what NBA team are you coaching again?

Good Lord, Captain Overzealous Jr. High coach...
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
13727 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:54 am to
I coached high school basketball for ten years.

We ended practice with a game I called stump the chump.

Everyone shot 20 free throws including me.

I ran one suicide for every kid that did better than I did and the team ran one for every kid I beat.

I rarely ran, but sometimes I did.

It put some pressure on the kids but kept things fun.

Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:55 am to
Involve running with the free throws. Everyone shoots a set amount. Accumlated misses equals suicides or laps. You never run a basketball team just to run them. Make it a competition with consequences and winners and losers.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42509 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:00 am to
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It put some pressure on the kids but kept things fun. 





Smart practice - kids likely want to win help recreate pressure in fun way and get conditioning in
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