re: Is Gen Z etc totally out of touch about salaries?

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problem is they want to start out at mid career earnings with zero experience and limited qualifications as opposed to entering the work force at a level commensurate with those "skills" and improving their position based on skill and merit

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It's a free market with two sides, not a unilateral decision on how a skillset should be valued. That sounds like communism.

You sound like an older person probably in their 50s or 60s. Things are not the same as they were back in your day. You can't get established in a particular field when the starting pay is so low that you can't even afford a place to live and a car.

Gen Z will likely be a semi-insane generation, but this salary thing is going to continue to be a problem when that $15 is quickly turning into about $3 an hour worth of spending power. I think large corporations are very aware of this which is why they are all in on wide open southern borders and increased federal benefits for illegals. These kids are about to get replaced.

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You say all this, but you still haven't found anyone to take that job. So who's the retard now?

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We're filling a position that was previously held by a 22 yr old guy who had no degree or experience. He still lived at home. He showed up late all the time, called in "sick" often, yet complained that he never had enough time saved up for vacation (b/c when he called in sick, his PTO was used until he had none left and then the company allows you to go negative up to 40hrs).

He did buy that $1500 folding Samsung phone, bought a Subaru WRX that he then modded to no end, and spent $10+ for lunch everyday at fast food places.

We finally let him go when he no called no showed twice. He called in to inquire about his last paycheck, but I'm pretty sure he owed the company money based on his borrowing of PTO time.

If he'd have been a good employee, he'd have been promoted within the year.

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my starting wages at the company I'm at were at poverty level, especially since I was initially assigned to NYC

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And on average, still 40% stronger than starting wages today…..

So now do you understand the issue?

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I had the patience and foresight, and sense of delayed gratification to realize that this job

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Was it warehouse work?

Oh, no? So your anecdote is irrelevant

I own my own handyman business because I was tired of accepting ridiculous wages. There's also this thing where people believe that all Mexicans and illegal immigrants are good workers. This is 100% false and actually quite the opposite. It took me over a year to find a reliable Mexican sub that does good work.

Sounds like what you can expect to hire at $15/hour.

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You can't get established in a particular field when the starting pay is so low that you can't even afford a place to live and a car.

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see my response to these responses, that's exactly the situation I was in, you have to prioritize, be resourceful, innovative, budget, and delay gratification, everyone has to play the cards they are dealt

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We're filling a position that was previously held by a 22 yr old guy who had no degree or experience. He still lived at home. He showed up late all the time, called in "sick" often, yet complained that he never had enough time saved up for vacation

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This is the level of worker you attract with that compensation package. What do you not understand about that?