re: Is Gen Z etc totally out of touch about salaries?

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If they can't fill the position then they aren't overpaying.

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Hire J-1 or Mexicans.

They will outwork an American Zoomer, give you far better value.

Or better yet, automate.

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It's an entry-level position. Nobody, except maybe a brainless dope like you, would try to raise a family in that position. I think the real problem is that some of you are so soft and coddled in your lives that it's no longer possible for you to discern the difference between "needs" and "wants". My fiancée earned a DMD and Ph.D. and was paid a stipend during her Ph.D. effort that was barely $20k/year. She paid her living expenses and still saved up over $50k by the time she graduated dental school to pay for her residency program. This idea that a person can't make a living on $15/hour is bullshite, nothing but soft crybaby bull shite.

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They don’t want to hear that. They want to be paid $60K to start and have a hybrid schedule. Unrealistic expectations along with being soft.

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They want to be paid $60K to start

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Just automate, which is what is going to happen.

I'd rather have machines than people allergic to work.

Or they want a wage that allows for hone ownership like every generation before them

Unfortunately for them, it isn’t feasible. The American dream is truly dead

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The benefits probably add at least another $15k to the starting wage.

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The benefits add nothing to someone making $30k. A 20 something isn't going to value health insurance that much anyway. Add that to the fact that paying the premium is going to materially affect their other expenses.

And they can't afford to contribute to a 401k or buy the stock options.

Again, why would I go to work at a place with a boss where someone tells me when to be there and when I can leave when I could work a gig economy job whenever I wanted for the same amount of money?

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problem is they want to start out at mid career earnings with zero experience and limited qualifications as opposed to entering the work force at a level commensurate with those "skills" and improving their position based on skill and merit

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Or they want an entry wage similar to the cost of goods of past generations, not an entry wage 40-60% weaker relative to the cost of goods than those generations before them calling them entitled…..

The lack of self awareness when calling them entitled is hilarious They are getting paid a relative wage so much less, and are being told “you should shut up and take it”

Go back in time to your first job. Now cut that salary by 40%. Would you have simply “shut up and worked”?

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Or they want a wage that allows for hone ownership like every generation before them

Unfortunately for them, it isn’t feasible. The American dream is truly dead

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The American dream isn’t dead, some just think all
their dreams should come true at once. It’s never worked like that for Most people.

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And they can't afford to contribute to a 401k or buy the stock options.

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another flawed viewpoint from these young dumbasses, at the beginning of your career you can't afford not to do those things, you start that discipline at the onset and get to your 50s and will be shocked at how much wealth you've accumulated, but no, got to have ...fill in the blanks ...now! young idiots don't no what "necessessities" really are

Absolutely.

At the same time, with what shite costs now, pay has not increased in an equivocal manner.

Are business owners out of touch with what pay should be?

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good luck finding someone worth a shite for $15

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It's a position for a high school grad with limited skills. If you are worth a shite you'll advance. I think too Manu are considering this from a college grads perspective or that of a 30 plus year old person.