re: Is Gen Z etc totally out of touch about salaries?

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So you're the type of person that just lets things happen to them, while I'm the type of person that tries to make things work. I would actually try to find a place close to where I work, and not way out in the burbs or surrounding towns. I don't care how far the average person commutes, the average person is a moron.

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No, I’m the person who didn’t get parents help to just wait and see what job I wanted to pick and then figure out where I could live. Every argument you’ve made essentially leads to the fact that you had tons of help from family. You’ve never truly started from nothing like most people do. It’s not a bad thing to be privileged, but don’t assume it’s the norm because you had it. Either that or you are so out of touch, probably being much older, that you can’t tell $15 isn’t a living wage in actual cities. And seeing that you did the worlds fair in 85, I’m going to say it’s the latter.

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already said I could make it work in Baton Rouge or other non-high cost areas.

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So your thoughts on $15 a hour means nothing in this thread. Not sure why there is still an argument if you openly admit that you are out of touch with what $15 a hour today can afford in actual cities.

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And you sound like an idiot. I'm talking about how I would get started on $15/hour in Baton Rouge. With some adjustments, I'm sure I could make it work in Houston. maybe get an additional roommate, maybe not have a car at first and just use public transportation.

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Again, you’re just showing how little you know about the world outside your little kingdom. You cant always just hitch the bus to decent work places in Houston. The city is to spread out. Most people don’t get the luxury to find a job and then pick where they live and have enough time to negotiate unless you want to live out of a car for a bit…..which you said previously starting out you would nix. To summarize what you are saying, you’d somehow magically find a job, THEN find a place to live nearby, all while having no car and no start up money. Your fictitious world sounds great though.

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LEARN TO CODE!!!!!!

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and when everyone can do this, the salaries will drop to shite because everyone can do it.

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You’ve never truly started from nothing like most people do.

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Everyone who grinded their way from poor to middle/upper middle class has my respect. But the poor today aren't the poor of yesterday.

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Or, find a cheaper city to live, get an education and/or training.

In 1970, about 10% of the population had a college degree, its 4x that today. Throw in more women working, minorities and illegal aliens. Those with low skills/training just have scraps, and the world isn't changing back.

The competition for good employment got a lot harder, there's a reason low skilled jobs pay low

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isn't that conflicting with what OP is saying? Even a quick indeed search has warehouse guys getting 17/18 an hour. OP even admits target was offering some $22 an hour.

as far as decent job markets go, Houston is cheap too

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No, I’m the person who didn’t get parents help to just wait and see what job I wanted to pick and then figure out where I could live.

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Neither did I. I left home at 16, moved into an apartment with a friend and started working - riding my bicycle to "commute".

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Every argument you’ve made essentially leads to the fact that you had tons of help from family.

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Nothing at all indicates such. Starting in high school, I worked and saved money for college. While in college, I worked to pay for college. I also landed a student worker job that led to an apprenticeship of sorts which I took upon graduating from college. Having the job, I looked around for a cheap place to live which turned out to be a garage apartment which I moved into directly from Pentagon Dorm at LSU. No one helped me pay for college, no one helped me get my first professional job, no one helped me get that garage apartment.

I'm still not sure where you think all of this family help came in. You think they gave me bus fare to get to work and back or something?

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So your thoughts on $15 a hour means nothing in this thread.

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Except that, as I said, I could make it work in Baton Rouge or other non-high cost city.

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you are so out of touch, probably being much older

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Stupid fricking kids thinking they know everything. You realize I have been young AND old, while you have only been young, right? You don't know shite.

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Most people don’t get the luxury to find a job and then pick where they live and have enough time to negotiate unless you want to live out of a car for a bit

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Dude, what in the ever loving frick are you babbling about?

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you’d somehow magically find a job, THEN find a place to live nearby, all while having no car and no start up money. Your fictitious world sounds great though.

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Damn, dude, all I said was I could make starting at $15/hr work in Baton Rouge or other non-high cost city. I don't know why you're getting so angry and taking it all so personally.

If I didn't have a place to live, I'd look for a place around where I worked. If I didn't have a job, I'd look for a place around where I lived. Maybe I'm at the homeless shelter and someone offered me a job starting at $15 an hour at a warehouse. I still think I could make that work. I'm sorry you couldn't. I guess older people were just made of more resourceful stuff.

I like how the people arguing that 15/hr wage is livable are ones suggesting living in homeless shelters or not having air conditioning in southern texas.

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Stupid fricking kids thinking they know everything.

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Pretty much this.

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While in college, I worked to pay for college.

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Which of course you know that as of today is no longer doable. Tuition alone is 12k, not including anything else. So your $15 a hour doesn’t cover paying to go to school and living.

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Except that, as I said, I could make it work in Baton Rouge or other non-high cost city.

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And again, as we agree, your input is meaningless because the thread is about $15 hour in an actual city.

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Stupid fricking kids thinking they know everything. You realize I have been young AND old, while you have only been young, right? You don't know shite.

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not a Gen Z buddy. Not an old frick out of touch like you, but old enough to see the struggles the younger generation is already facing. Lots of issues caused by Boomers actually.

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Dude, what in the ever loving frick are you babbling about?

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Real life. Don’t worry about it. I’m sure the deminitia has set in and you forgot what starting out is like.

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If I didn't have a place to live, I'd look for a place around where I worked. If I didn't have a job, I'd look for a place around where I lived. Maybe I'm at the homeless shelter and someone offered me a job starting at $15 an hour at a warehouse. I still think I could make that work. I'm sorry you couldn't. I guess older people were just made of more resourceful stuff.

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Ha come on man. You are now saying that you would live in a homeless shelter to make your theory work. You are literally saying that you’d admit to being homeless to make $15 a hour work in your perfect situation. How is living in a homeless shelter a living wage you now need at minimum 1st month deposit for just rent. You need deposits for almost all your utilities. Starting out you have no credit. But in your solution to show $15 is livable, you’ll start living in a homeless shelter. Okay man. Okay.

it's not even that. they're too obtuse to actually discuss the topic at hand and would rather frame the discussion so they can insult people who disagree with them.

Half the responses are saying you could make this work if you lived in a small town


Well last time I check houston isn’t a small town so who gives a frick if 15/hr could work there?