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re: Is child care/daycare innately expensive? What can society do to reduce *cost* of it?

Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6748 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:27 pm to
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Cut income tax rate in half to incentivize women to be SAHM's. Each additional child lowers the rate even more. 3 or more children and the rate goes to zero until youngest turns 18.
Like shooting a gun at a hill. Not even close to enough to cover the cost to raise a child.

Pre-Industrial Revolution - having children was a NECESSITY to help with farming and taking care of you in old age. Now with Social Security and ubiquitous grocery stores, having children is a luxury and occurs when women feel like.

The only significant increase in birth rates since the end of the Industrial Revolution occurred after WW2. I have a theory, but I don't think you guys are ready for it.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
8917 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:34 pm to
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Yep. Back of envelope math has them at $1.3M in wages, employment taxes, etc. to meet state regulations on child to employee ratio.



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We're already to 16% profit margin before even factoring anything else like taxes, insurance, licensure, food/snacks, equipment, marketing, et



10-12% on 2 million/yr is pretty good and I’m sure they are on the lower end of tuition from what it sounds like.
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
3085 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:41 pm to
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Is child care/daycare innately expensive? What can society do to reduce *cost* of it?
Overhead, for one, but I've always said there's 3 business models that if you can break into them, you can move anywhere in the country and be in business on day 1 because you've cornered a demand base so large that every human not only wants it, but needs it: cutting hair, funeral homes, and daycare.

With daycare, with a good reputation, you can just about name your price and people will pay it, and in many cases where you're a monopoly in an area, they have to pay it. Friend of mine was in the beltway paying over $2500/month for one child and that's the only place they could get in. It's inherently expensive because of overhead and the supply and demand and its irreplaceability: You're paying for a replacement parent for the allotted time you need it. You can't kennel them like a dog and head to work, so it's going to be expensive.
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NYC’s plan to essentially cover 100% of the costs for families with young children
Without even more socialist policies to cap the free market's ability to raise prices, this will only increase prices, and fast. The problem with capping prices is you'll wind up with people leaving the industry and wind up with the lowest common denominator taking up the slack, i.e., the government, private equity, fraudsters and schemers, cheapskates etc. Do you want to leave your kids with that demographic? That's the problem with socialist policies (orher than the fact they always fail and lead to societal collapse and millions dead): it's a slow creep to totalitarianism until it's not, and nobody wants to pay for it because it's slavery with a fancy, edgy name slapped on it.

There's always simple answers to these supposedly complex problems a bloated government has created. One is licensure and barrier to entry stifles competition, but there's another fix that's simple, and that's that mothers in the home are the simple fix (simple doesn't mean "easy" or "quick fix"). We're just now getting to the point where having a parent in the home full time is starting to make more sense financially and schedule-wise for more and more people than it used to. It's why the notion has become far more palatable even for the most "boss" of boss babes who have commone sense, logic and a realistic view of the average American family's options when comparing single parent to no parent in the home raising the kids instead of a daycare - and that's fantastic, because it's the most noble of professions that a polite, organized and stable society can rely on.

I assure you, more bloated government police state intervention will not the solve the problem. It never has, but alas, there's always plenty of morons who think it will work "this" time.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296383 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:42 pm to
What govt pays for foster care kids and subsidizes others is what sets the price.


My wife was in charge of the Foster Child day care of Alaska, what was paid was absolutely incredible.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21347 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:42 pm to
Go back to single income homes.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85844 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:44 pm to
From ages 5-18 you get government provided daycare.
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15261 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:44 pm to
if i owned a daycare and heard the government was going to subsidize it i would dramatically raise the price lmao
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21347 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:45 pm to
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Why can’t dads?


They can but science has shown men biologically aren’t made for it and are rather terrible at it add this that at super high rates women file for divorce when they make more money than the man.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14733 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:46 pm to
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What govt pays for foster care kids and subsidizes others is what sets the price.


My wife was in charge of the Foster Child day care of Alaska, what was paid was absolutely incredible.


The foster system in AK is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuubbbbbbbbaaaaaaaarrrrrrr

But man those families that do adopt (particularly special needs kids) make bank from the government.
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15261 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:46 pm to
is it worth it for a woman to give up a six figure income to be a stay at home mom?
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
52886 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:46 pm to
Women should be at home watching children. Society is lost.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21347 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:48 pm to
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is it worth it for a woman to give up a six figure income to be a stay at home mom?


Bunch of women on YouTube and TikTok these days trying to preach this message to young women that it absolutely is better to give up the salary.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296383 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:48 pm to
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The foster system in AK is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuubbbbbbbbaaaaaaaarrrrrrr


Oh yeah. I couldnt believe what was being paid.

Tough job, she had to deal with some horror stories. Glad she retired.
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
7091 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:50 pm to
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is it worth it for a woman to give up a six figure income to be a stay at home mom?


Mine did. It's unquestionably been worth it. That said, I made a few bets on my career a few years ago that hit the bullseye, so we don't need the income.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14733 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 4:51 pm to
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Mine did. It's unquestionably been worth it. That said, I made a few bets on my career a few years ago that hit the bullseye, so we don't need the income.



was worth it for us for about a 3 year period before my wife said frick this shite I'm getting another job
Posted by TheFitfulFire
Houma
Member since Jan 2017
149 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 5:03 pm to
Except, for the lowest earners, the so-called "traditional family model" of SAHM and working father has never existed for most of the people to whom it is prescribed. Married poor women have always had to take up some kind of job that would help the family stay alive. In years past, this often took the form of work that could be done in and around the house to be sure (textile cleaning/working, for example) but has included work outside the house (cleaning houses, farm work, etc.)

The "traditional family model" has always been a mark of the middle class and upwards, and the margins between classes are thinner than ever these days.
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
5799 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 5:09 pm to
My kid was in a licensed in-home daycare for her first 3 years until moving to a more structured preschool. I would go this route if you can find someone.

Need to figure out a way to get the old retired ladies out of working in grocery stores and back at home watching kids.
Posted by Clark W Griswold
THE USA
Member since Sep 2012
10861 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 5:54 pm to
If you look at cost per hour daycare is very cheap. We used to pay $125 a week for an awesome daycare at a church. Moved and the new one was $160. Then $180. It sucked to pay it but for $4 an hour it’s tough to say it’s expensive.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
14466 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 5:57 pm to
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Have a traditional family where parents play roles and take care of your own kids.

Stop living outside your means so you don’t need dual incomes. Live in an affordable location.

Throw some numbers out there. Man makes $60k and wife makes $50k. She should stay home? What about $80k and $50k? Is there a threshold?
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2332 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:11 pm to
The answer is to have mom at home to take care of the kids.

That's never ever discussed.
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