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re: Is alligator overpopulation a huge problem, or no?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:26 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:26 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Is alligator overpopulation a huge problem, or no?
Definitely not.
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:30 am to gumbo2176
I don't remember that being an issue when I was doing it. The issue was you paid for them, as in you basically had to pay the state a higher percentage than your bid was for. Far as I know, it had no bearing on your bid for tags the next year, it was an open bid every year and everyone had the same opportunity.
Been a while though.
Been a while though.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:33 am to Harry Rex Vonner
I live in Georgia. I come real close to losing my 13 y/o son to a 9 footer 5 years ago. I kill every one I see and could care less about the laws. IMHO they have no beneficial use at all. NONE. Growing up there were almost extinct and you could swim or fish in any creek or river you wished. Now you can't throw a rock in a mud puddle without hitting one.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:34 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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- the skin has good worth
You would think, but there are strict laws on this shite. Someone I am related to brings people alligator hunting when in season. You can't just go kill alligators for the skin and sell it on some open market. Someone from the company that makes alligator skin products has to go with the hunters, etc. Its a whole process. Most skin gets thrown away.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:35 am to rltiger
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Louisiana's alligator population has increased from under 100,000 to over 3 million in the past 50 years. They harvest @ 25,000 a year.
According to the good people at Insta-Gator Ranch there as many alligators as people in the great State of Louisiana.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:37 am to Harry Rex Vonner
How is more a problem. We just need a selective breeding program that makes them want to eat more Nutria. Nutria are a problem Alligators are not.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:41 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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killing more would piss off PETA let's be honest, PETA Yankees would love for more and more alligators to kill more and more southerners
So let me get this straight, you would just kill an animal ( I mean take a life....) for nothing more than to just piss of some liberals.
They are living in your head rent free.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:43 am to Harry Rex Vonner
I wouldn’t call it overpopulation. It’s a healthy population that definitely warrants a regular season like other game species.
In states with the highest numbers like Texas Louisiana and Florida, I don’t see why they wouldn’t make it more accessible. It’s currently somewhat difficult to do compared to other game animals. Theres much more red tape with gators than say a white tail for example.
Take Louisiana. You open it up to 1 gator per season. 4.5 million people in the state. Only 9 out of 100 are licensed hunters. It’s not like allowing 1 to be legally taken each season would deplete the population. It can be done but must be taken slowly and carefully much like elk or other species that are only native to certain regions and were almost extinct due to over hunting many moons ago.
In states with the highest numbers like Texas Louisiana and Florida, I don’t see why they wouldn’t make it more accessible. It’s currently somewhat difficult to do compared to other game animals. Theres much more red tape with gators than say a white tail for example.
Take Louisiana. You open it up to 1 gator per season. 4.5 million people in the state. Only 9 out of 100 are licensed hunters. It’s not like allowing 1 to be legally taken each season would deplete the population. It can be done but must be taken slowly and carefully much like elk or other species that are only native to certain regions and were almost extinct due to over hunting many moons ago.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:45 am to yellowfin
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I eat beaver, do you like me?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:47 am to bubbz
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I think in south LA they are. They are everywhere and the season is only about 30 days.
Also only land owners get tags there isn’t a recreational lottery like in MS.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:48 am to SemperFiDawg
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I live in Georgia. I come real close to losing my 13 y/o son to a 9 footer 5 years ago. I kill every one I see and could care less about the laws. IMHO they have no beneficial use at all. NONE. Growing up there were almost extinct and you could swim or fish in any creek or river you wished. Now you can't throw a rock in a mud puddle without hitting one.
It sucks that your son was attacked but come on. That’s an awful mentality to have and it really gives hunters a bad name. Stuff like that is why the feds continue to drop the hammer on hunting. Alligators are a keystone species and absolutely serve a purpose in the ecosystem. Might want to research up on that.
I hope you’re not teaching your children hunting ethics because good lord.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:52 am to Topwater Trout
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Attacks are extremely rare. Grown men rarely ever get attacked because we are bigger than their typical prey. I have swam in ponds/canals with big gators and never worried...if we had salt water or nile crocs people would get attacked all the time.
What about grown women?
This happened not far from my sister's cottage on Kiawah. THAT place is completely overpopulated with gators.
Gator Attacks
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Shizuka Matsuki, 47, female
I bet the alligator was hungry again in 30 minutes.
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After an 11-foot alligator appeared at Burkarts Marina in Orange bystanders were told to stay out of the water. Tommie Woodward mocked the alligator and jumped into the water in close proximity to the alligator and was immediately pulled underwater; his body was later found with severe trauma to the chest. This was the first recorded fatal alligator attack in Texas since 1836.[33]
Darwin is undefeated.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 11:02 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:53 am to turnpiketiger
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Only 9 out of 100 are licensed hunters.
This is louisiana. I'm not sure I'd rely on that number
Outlawin is SOP in this state.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:15 am to turnpiketiger
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That’s an awful mentality to have
I don't disagree with him. People do the same with coyotes as they are considered a nuisance animal.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:23 am to terriblegreen
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I never understood why Florida doesn't let you kill them. They will let you catch them but not kill them. They need to just be slaughtered.
This isn't true. You can kill all the invasive pythons you want in Florida.
Per FWC:
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Hunting on Private Land:
Nonnative reptiles like Burmese pythons can be humanely killed on private lands at any time with landowner permission - no permit required- and the FWC encourages people to capture and humanely kill pythons from private lands whenever possible. There is no bag limit.
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Hunting on Commission-managed lands:
Per Executive Order 23-16, nonnative reptiles including pythons may also be humanely killed at any time throughout the year on 32 Commission-managed lands listed below. All specific provisions in Executive Order 23-16 and all area rules and must be followed. No permit or hunting license is required. There is no bag limit.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 11:26 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:24 am to turnpiketiger
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That’s an awful mentality to have and it really gives hunters a bad name
DON'T
GIVE
A
DAMN.
All the reputations of every hunter combined isn't worth the life of a human being, much less a child.
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Alligators are a keystone species and absolutely serve a purpose in the ecosystem.
Yeah, they're so "keystone" that when they were almost extinct it made absolutely no difference in the ecosystem other than humans weren't on the food chain of an apex predator. I call that progress and I don't need to research it. I'm old enough to have lived it. They are just like a Rattle Snake. If they ceased to exist today another creature would just seamlessly fill the void and nature wouldn't blink an eye with the caveat humans wouldn't be part of the food chain.
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I hope you’re not teaching your children hunting ethics because good lord.
After this my kids kind of figured out on their own there's nothing unethical about killing something that will kill you. If it soothes your ruffled ethics any, we do try to eat the one's we can retreive.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 7:31 pm to SemperFiDawg
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I live in Georgia. I come real close to losing my 13 y/o son to a 9 footer 5 years ago. I kill every one I see and could care less about the laws. IMHO they have no beneficial use at all. NONE. Growing up there were almost extinct and you could swim or fish in any creek or river you wished. Now you can't throw a rock in a mud puddle without hitting one.
thank you
and that's just a 9 footer
what about a 4-year-old accompanying grandma walking the dog? they're all three in danger
Posted on 2/13/25 at 7:45 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
They are a huge problem in south Louisiana. The farms have ran the normal trappers out due to the buyers wanting certain size gators blemish free. (8ft gators are ones of choice).the price of the hides and meat are also lower than what it used to be so a lot of people do not want to waste there time anymore.
Also have to figure gator farms have to release a certain amount of gators where they pull eggs from. So instead of Mother Nature taking its course ur now putting older raised killing machines back into the wild.
I know a lot of old school hunters they also “retired” and the younger generation isn’t picking up the slack.
Also have to figure gator farms have to release a certain amount of gators where they pull eggs from. So instead of Mother Nature taking its course ur now putting older raised killing machines back into the wild.
I know a lot of old school hunters they also “retired” and the younger generation isn’t picking up the slack.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 7:51 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Also, I wonder if states and municipalities cover up alligator attacks as much as they can (and crocodiles in Florida) because they don't want tourism affected? Like the mayor in Jaws
My cousin is head of alligator and crocodile management in Florida, and I can assure you, this is not the case.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 7:53 pm to cgrand
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too cold
You promise?
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