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Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:28 pm to justaniceguy
You need a job?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:30 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Not going to lie. Our firm has some first and second year attorneys with Ivy League law degrees, and I trust some of our paralegals over those first and second years.
It is all about the nuts and bolts. The higher the "quality" of the legal education the less of a grasp they are likely to have on the day-to-day practice of law. Some of the third tier schools are the best at nuts and bolts. A good paralegal knows the system and the process outside the courtroom as well or better than most young attorneys.
People keep searching for a good analog for a paralegal in my mind the closest is a platoon sergeant. They simply can make things happen. Just as I did as a butter bar in the Army I leaned heavily on my first paralegal to explain to me how the world worked.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:30 pm to Twenty 49
Pass legal briefs and don't understand law. Sign me up! Pics would be great, but I understand dicrestion and hope you have a good time. Sorry, I'm sure you are one hell of a lawyer and enjoy.
Side bar: the world needs ditch diggers as well.
Side bar: the world needs ditch diggers as well.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:34 pm to justaniceguy
I have a client in her mid 50`s who has been a paralegal at her firm for decades and makes $150k+ a year.
I don't care if you don't need a degree or you do admin work or people think you just get your lawyer boss coffee. What I see is a fantastic career with excellent job security and great pay.
I don't care if you don't need a degree or you do admin work or people think you just get your lawyer boss coffee. What I see is a fantastic career with excellent job security and great pay.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:36 pm to RexKramer
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Side bar: the world needs ditch digs as well.
Way to really frick up that side bar, counselor.
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Side bar: the world needs ditch diggers as well.
So close.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:40 pm to justaniceguy
Nowadays you can be a paralegal if/when the lawyer you work for is willing to call you one and bill for you as one.
Responsibility/pay/competence is entirely dependent on the firm. Changing the title allows the firm to pay a good employee more without pissing off the rest of the staff.
The difference between a paralegal and a legal assistant has become a lot more blurred. A good legal assistant with a computer is competent to do a lot of what used to be paralegal work. Clients know this and it’s getting harder and harder to bill a client for what has historically been paralegal work.
And of course an experienced paralegal is probably more valuable to the lawyer than a first or second year associate. That’s true for any support position that you rely on.
Responsibility/pay/competence is entirely dependent on the firm. Changing the title allows the firm to pay a good employee more without pissing off the rest of the staff.
The difference between a paralegal and a legal assistant has become a lot more blurred. A good legal assistant with a computer is competent to do a lot of what used to be paralegal work. Clients know this and it’s getting harder and harder to bill a client for what has historically been paralegal work.
And of course an experienced paralegal is probably more valuable to the lawyer than a first or second year associate. That’s true for any support position that you rely on.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:42 pm to justaniceguy
Only paralegals I’ve known are hot chicks who liked to get railed in the conference room.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:45 pm to justaniceguy
Every job is a bitch job unless you have some sort of equity in the business. Your employment is totally reliant on ownership and management wanting to keep you around.
Hell, even if you own a business, you're still the bitch of your clients.
Hell, even if you own a business, you're still the bitch of your clients.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:46 pm to Mo Jeaux
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They definitely can't be lazy at my firm.
Not when they have a boss that spends all day on a message board
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:48 pm to tigercross
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Every job is a bitch job unless you have some sort of equity in the business. Your employment is totally reliant on ownership and management wanting to keep you around.
Hell, even if you own a business, you're still the bitch of your clients.
It's interdependence. We're all connected, and as a result we all take shite from someone and give it to someone else. If you're an employee, your employer also depends on you to not destroy the company in short order.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:50 pm to Jim Rockford
These days are over.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:51 pm to Obtuse1
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People keep searching for a good analog for a paralegal in my mind the closest is a platoon sergeant.They simply can make things happen
Or a warrant officer.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:52 pm to justaniceguy
As an auto glass technician I am unsure
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:54 pm to Obtuse1
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It is all about the nuts and bolts. The higher the "quality" of the legal education the less of a grasp they are likely to have on the day-to-day practice of law. Some of the third tier schools are the best at nuts and bolts. A good paralegal knows the system and the process outside the courtroom as well or better than most young attorneys.
Watching pie in the sky recent graduates try to figure out stuff like filing documents is sometimes hilarious.
But on the flip, a paralegal I'd trust to write an appellate brief is probably one in a million (I have met one though)
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:29 pm to Obtuse1
Yeah, law school does a stunningly poor job of teaching how to actually function as a lawyer.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:34 pm to Niner
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I have a client in her mid 50`s who has been a paralegal at her firm for decades and makes $150k+ a year.
I’ve know big law paralegals can make good money, $80k range, but I’ve never heard of a paralegal making $150k. Guess a white shoe firm in NYC maybe. Seems a stretch.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:37 pm to justaniceguy
Good paralegals are hard to find. If you were a good paralegal and made the lawyer’s life much easier then I’m sure you could make good money.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Even when you clerk you really aren’t exposed to the practical side of things. You’re basically a walking westlaw account that writes a few drafts.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:15 pm to NIH
i'm glad that i had the first job that i did. i had to do a ton of secretarial/paralegal-level work and now i almost feel bad for the attorneys who got their first job with like the DAs office and are completely dependent on having to have all of that stuff done for them.
if i could ever find a really good paralegal that was trustworthy, smart, and could manage an office i could really expand my firm with just that.
if i could ever find a really good paralegal that was trustworthy, smart, and could manage an office i could really expand my firm with just that.
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