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re: Investigators When they KNEW Murdaugh lied (Page 112)

Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:42 pm to
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has anything happened to deviate from the theory that he paid some mob guy to kill all three of them

That isn't really a theory, so I guess the answer would be no.
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:42 pm to
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That doesn’t mean I don’t have information about what happened


What information do you have about what happened?
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:43 pm to
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EVERYONE that knew him said he was a horrible, spoiled and entitled punk. Even his closest friends.


His cousin was saying that.
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:43 pm to
Information from news reports. The same information most people have that aren’t actually watching the trial online.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 2:44 pm
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:44 pm to
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Information from news reports.


Very detailed response.

And none of that is admissible in court
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:45 pm to
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And none of that is admissible in court
Did I say anything about admissible evidence? I think maybe you aren’t good at reading comprehension.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:45 pm to
I haven't heard one person, other than his dad, say that he was a decent person. Every single person that has been interviewed, and knew him closely, describe him as a spoiled, entitled, brat that would throw his family and best friends to the wolves to save himself.
Posted by PoppaD
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:46 pm to
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Riddle me this, how did he know which son it was? With more pictures of Paul, his hair color is all but identical to Buster's hair color and with much of the head blown off,


I think Murdaugh did it or was responsible for it but, there is a big size difference in the boys. Buster is big and tall like his dad. Paul was a little guy which likely contributed to his personality. I think a Dad would be able to tell his tall kid from his short kid.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:50 pm to
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KosmoCramer

Just curious, your take as to why he chose to testify, if the state has, in your words, almost no evidence that would convict him?

Would think his team would not put him up for cross examination if they believed the state presented no real case against him.
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:53 pm to
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Just curious, your take as to why he chose to testify, if the state has, in your words, almost no evidence that would convict him?

Would think his team would not put him up for cross examination if they believed the state presented no real case against him.


Because the realty is that jury members don't generally follow the law regarding the right to not testify against yourself and see it as a sign of guilt.


He's already confessed to the financial stuff so he basically has nothing to lose.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:55 pm to
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Because the realty is that jury members don't generally follow the law regarding the right to not testify against yourself and see it as a sign of guilt.

So why don't the vast majority of defense attorneys put their clients on the stand?
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He's already confessed to the financial stuff so he basically has nothing to lose.

You don't think he has anything to lose by being convicted of murdering his wife and child?
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:55 pm to
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jury members don't generally follow the law regarding the right to not testify against yourself and see it as a sign of guilt.
Is this your opinion or do you have a citation to research done on this topic. If true, why do criminal defendants, especially in murder cases, almost never take the stand in their own defense unless there is a claim of self defense?
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:58 pm to
i heard some legal expert say SC was one of those states where it is better for the accused to testify.

they compared it to Wisconsin in that regard and mentioned the Kenosha Kid.
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:58 pm to
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So why don't the vast majority of defense attorneys put their clients on the stand?


Because the vast majority of defense attorneys know that their clients can't withstand the pressure of being cross examined in a murder trial.

That's not the case here.

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You don't think he has anything to lose by being convicted of murdering his wife and child?


My point is that he is going away for life no matter what.
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:59 pm to
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they compared it to Wisconsin in that regard and mentioned the Kenosha Kid.
I don’t know what they were referencing, but testifying as a defendant in a self defense case is much more common than others because the question isn’t whether you did it, but whether you were justified in doing it. Testifying as to your perception and fear can be very impactful.
Posted by ILurkThereforeIAm
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:00 pm to
I think he's testifying because of his ego. He thinks he can't win the jury over.

The judge denied bond because:
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In his order denying bond, Judge Newman writes, "After considering the arguments of counsel, the evaluation submitted, pending charges and other investigations, and the apparent character and mental condition of the defendant, the Court finds that the Defendant is a danger both to himself and the community."


He definitely has some sort of mental illness. My guess is ASPD?

quote:

Antisocial personality disorder signs and symptoms may include:

Disregard for right and wrong
Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others
Being callous, cynical and disrespectful of others
Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or personal pleasure
Arrogance, a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated
Recurring problems with the law, including criminal behavior
Repeatedly violating the rights of others through intimidation and dishonesty
Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead
Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, aggression or violence
Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behavior with no regard for the safety of self or others
Poor or abusive relationships
Failure to consider the negative consequences of behavior or learn from them
Being consistently irresponsible and repeatedly failing to fulfill work or financial obligations
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:02 pm to
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He definitely has some sort of mental illness. My guess is ASPD?


He paid someone to kill him.

That's why.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:02 pm to
LINK

Another good article on the family history including that the great grandfather's death in a train collision may have been suicide:
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The Associated Press reported that Murdaugh was leaving a late-night poker game around 1 a.m. on a Friday and his car stalled on the tracks. The Hampton County Guardian, his hometown paper, stated simply that he was returning from a late visit with “friends in Yemassee,” and there was no court session that day.

Both outlets reported that on July 19, 1940, Murdaugh’s car was crossing a railway about four miles east of Varnville when the car mysteriously stopped in the middle of the crossing.

A westbound C & W.C. freight train plunged ahead in the dark, steamy night.

Murdaugh lifted his hand and waved at the oncoming locomotive, the driver later reported during an investigation.
The train wreck that started it all

The headlight beams drew closer, brighter, followed by the sound, the steam, the shaking rumble. Then the light and sound and speed overtook Randolph Murdaugh Sr.

Engineer W.W. Bartlett testified that he did not see the car near the tracks until about 40 yards away, and that Murdaugh had his hand raised as though waving at the train crew. But when the train drew closer, the car started up and stopped directly on the tracks.

On July 24, 1940, The Hampton County Guardian reported that “the impact hurled the automobile approximately 900 feet up the track, totally wrecking it,” and “Murdaugh’s body was found beside the track approximately 150 feet from the crossing.”

Weird.
Posted by redandright
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:03 pm to
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My point is that he is going away for life no matter what.


But if he’s convicted of Maggie’s murder, he wont’ have access to her estate.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 3:05 pm to
I disagree, and have heard different, even about SC. I heard even in SC, if the State presents an extremely weak case, (Kosmo said basically they presented one piece of weak evidence and that's all), you should NOT put your client on the stand. Way too much risk vs. reward.

Now, I would agree in SC, if a strong case is presented, you should consider it. But one piece of weak evidence?

ETA: This is the quote from Kosmo:
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Literally all they have is that he was at the crime scene within 15-20 minutes of when two people may have stopped using their phone.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 3:06 pm
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