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re: Investigators When they KNEW Murdaugh lied (Page 112)
Posted on 2/18/23 at 2:45 pm to real turf fan
Posted on 2/18/23 at 2:45 pm to real turf fan
I saw an article that said that Buster flipped off someone on the witness chair and that he and his GF are only in court behind daddy when the jury is there. Crazy! LINK Maybe just gossip? 
Also: Initially it was reported Maggie texted a friend on the way to the dog kennels that Alex was up to something.
Did that come out in court? Who did Maggie text that to if it is accurate?
Also: Initially it was reported Maggie texted a friend on the way to the dog kennels that Alex was up to something.
Did that come out in court? Who did Maggie text that to if it is accurate?
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Posted on 2/18/23 at 3:30 pm to cajunangelle
Has anyone explained why the killer used two guns??
As a parent, I have a hard time believing that a man could, from short range, look at his son’s face and blow his brains out.
Is there any evidence that he hired someone to pull the trigger? Someone like ‘Cousin Eddie’?
As a parent, I have a hard time believing that a man could, from short range, look at his son’s face and blow his brains out.
Is there any evidence that he hired someone to pull the trigger? Someone like ‘Cousin Eddie’?
Posted on 2/18/23 at 4:26 pm to cajunangelle
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I saw an article that said that Buster flipped off someone on the witness chair
CNN had the picture of him leaning forward flipping the bird.
The object of his action was the lawyer for the Beach girl's family, the girl who was thrown out of the boat and not found for a week.
In the pre-murders lawsuits, Buster was one of the named defendants for supplying his younger brother with Buster's ID which indicated he was old enough to buy liquor.
More recently, just before the trial started, Buster represented his family and settled with the Beach family, settlement NOT disclosed. Apparently it lead to bad feelngs on Buster's side.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 5:26 pm to mmcgrath
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No. Only 10-20 feet. This is a picture of the side of the road. The orange markers are where the phone was found.
Could easily make that toss either over the roof or through the passenger window.
I wonder why he didn't throw it into a creek or swampy area, You'd think he pass at least one such place on the way to his mom's.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 6:39 pm to WinnaSez
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Has anyone explained why the killer used two guns??
It sounds like the killings might have been 15 or so minutes apart from each other.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 6:57 pm to AGGIES
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It sounds like the killings might have been 15 or so minutes apart from each other.
If this is the case, why didn't Maggie take off running, call 911, etc. when Alex blew Paul's brains out? And I've been glued to this trial daily and still can't decide if Alex meant for Cousin Eddie to kill him or miss the kill shot intentionally to set up the whole "people are after us" narrative.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 7:33 pm to WinnaSez
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Has anyone explained why the killer used two guns??
What would you do to look like it was two killers?
Posted on 2/18/23 at 7:37 pm to WinnaSez
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Has anyone explained why the killer used two guns?? As a parent, I have a hard time believing that a man could, from short range, look at his son’s face and blow his brains out. Is there any evidence that he hired someone to pull the trigger? Someone like ‘Cousin Eddie’?
They were saying in the interview that it could be same gun with different ammo. Several of the guns they collected had different ammo in them. I believe there was bird shot and buck shot in the chamber.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 7:38 pm to AGGIES
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It sounds like the killings might have been 15 or so minutes apart from each other.
Where did you get that from?
Posted on 2/18/23 at 7:39 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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They were saying in the interview that it could be same gun with different ammo. Several of the guns they collected had different ammo in them. I believe there was bird shot and buck shot in the chamber.
No it was a shotgun with different ammo (Paul) and a rifle (Maggie).
This post was edited on 2/18/23 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 2/18/23 at 7:52 pm to TigeRoots
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And I've been glued to this trial daily and still can't decide if Alex meant for Cousin Eddie to kill him or miss the kill shot intentionally to set up the whole "people are after us" narrative.
Did anyone publish the discussion between the lawyers and the Judge as to how much info would be revealed to THIS jury about the 'suicide'?
Someone on this thread commented that he had heard/read an interview with the Beachs' laywer that said there was no ten million dollar insurance policy payable to Buster.
Don't assign any veracity to these two paragraphs; but do search for reports from the courtroom for the first and general interviews for the second.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 8:48 pm to cajunangelle
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How do you pronounce Murdaugh? Mur dahhh? or Mur dock? And AM is Alexander but is called Alec, correct?
My friend from Yemassee calls them the Mur-daws but has said he’s heard them be referred to as the Murdocks. I think it really only depends on if you knew the family personally or not.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 8:57 pm to CobraCommander83
As a trial attorney let me ensure you that juries hate you when you bully witnesses, always. It may not always cost you a verdict but I hade focused it many many times and you have to appear to be nice and let them hang themselves.
Murdering someone on cross exam like we were all taught only impresses other lawyers not jurors.
Murdering someone on cross exam like we were all taught only impresses other lawyers not jurors.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 9:11 pm to TutHillTiger
Watching Netflix, holy shite Forge Consulting just came up. Very good guys.
Why the hell did he kill his wife and son ????
Why the hell did he kill his wife and son ????
Posted on 2/18/23 at 10:02 pm to TutHillTiger
LINK
An article that locates Maggie's phone relative to where AM drove to his Dementia-affected Mother's and puts speeds on where he drove and when. He left the property and one speed and then sped up right where the phone was dumped/tossed/left/heaved/ chose you own active verb. If not by him, then by whom?
An article that locates Maggie's phone relative to where AM drove to his Dementia-affected Mother's and puts speeds on where he drove and when. He left the property and one speed and then sped up right where the phone was dumped/tossed/left/heaved/ chose you own active verb. If not by him, then by whom?
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:26 pm to Havoc
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Alex Murdaugh’s cellphone showed a sudden flurry of activity just before he drove away in his SUV some 16 minutes after investigators think his wife and son were killed, a state agent testified Friday at the disgraced South Carolina lawyer’s double murder trial. GPS data from Murdaugh’s SUV and cellphone data also shows Murdaugh tried to call 911 but misdialed less than 20 seconds after he arrived at the kennels where the bodies of his son and wife were, a short distance from their home. After about another 20 seconds, Murdaugh completed the emergency call and told the 911 operator he checked them to see if they were alive. Prosecutors rested their case Friday after presenting 61 witnesses and introducing more than 550 pieces of evidence over 17 days of testimony. They ended with a detailed to-the-second, 43-page color-coded timeline of everything that happened with the cellphones of Murdaugh, his wife and son during the six hours leading up to and after their deaths. Murdaugh’s phone settings didn’t record specific location data. The timeline includes the 16 minutes between when investigators think Paul Murdaugh was killed at close range with two shotgun blasts and Maggie Murdaugh was shot four or five times with a rifle — because their cellphones stopped being used at that point — and when the GPS data in his SUV showed Murdaugh left the home to visit his ailing mother. Prosecutor Creighton Waters pointed out that Murdaugh’s phone had shown no activity for an hour, and then suddenly came back to life before he drove away. It showed him taking more than 70 steps a minute for about four minutes, well over the pace he had walked any other time that evening. Exactly where he was walking wasn’t captured. “He was a busy guy right then, was he?” Waters asked State Law Enforcement Division agent Peter Rudofski. “It appears,” Rudofski replied. In cross examination, defense attorney Phillip Barber pointed out the step data didn’t include the distance walked and criticized the analysis of how fast Murdaugh was walking since it wasn’t compared to data any other day. “He was going particularly fast for him, unusually slow for him or the same speed which he usually goes — did anyone look at that?” Barber asked. “All we have here is the data that is on that sheet,” Rudofski said. The timeline also marked that the backlight on Maggie Murdaugh’s cellphone turned off at about the same time Alex Murdaugh’s SUV drove by the spot on the two lane highway not far from the family’s home where his wife’s phone was found the next day. Murdaugh told police that he tried to call and text his wife and son after he returned home that night and didn’t see them, so he got back into the SUV to go down to the kennels to look for them, a drive that can take a minute or more. Prosecutors pointed out Murdaugh unsuccessfully tried to call 911, but put in an extra one, 20 seconds after he SUV stopped at the kennel. He retried and was successful about 20 seconds later. Barber played a 20-second timer on his phone to show how long that was and pointed out the SUV’s headlights likely illuminated the bodies before Murdaugh stopped the vehicle. Barber spent much of his cross-examination asking Rudofski questions like when Murdaugh’s SUV data showed he going 80 mph, could he be passing a car? Rudofski said he couldn’t know. Several other questions by the defense specified that data can be interpreted in different ways. Earlier Friday, defense lawyer Dick Harpootlian, for the first time in front of the jurors, mentioned that Murdaugh has been held in jail without bail for nearly two years and won’t walk free even if he is found not guilty of murder because of all the other crimes he is charged with, ranging from stealing from clients and his family law firm to money laundering to tax evasion. Scroll to the bottom of this webpage for 1 to 20 days-full daily summary
Courtesy of mmcgrath a few pages back…
So the wife showed up 16 minutes after paul was killed and wouldn’t have heard the previous shots. Specifically from this passage:
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The timeline includes the 16 minutes between when investigators think Paul Murdaugh was killed at close range with two shotgun blasts and Maggie Murdaugh was shot four or five times with a rifle — because their cellphones stopped being used at that point
This post was edited on 2/18/23 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 2/19/23 at 12:06 am to TutHillTiger
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As a trial attorney let me ensure you that juries hate you when you bully witnesses, always. It may not always cost you a verdict but I hade focused it many many times and you have to appear to be nice and let them hang themselves. Murdering someone on cross exam like we were all taught only impresses other lawyers not jurors.
Or as I was taught “when you’re going in for the kill, make sure you don’t get blood on the jury…”.
Posted on 2/19/23 at 8:20 am to AGGIES
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So the wife showed up 16 minutes after paul was killed and wouldn’t have heard the previous shots. Specifically from this passage:
I think you're mistaken. The video with all three of their voices was time stamped at 8:45.
Paul and Maggie's cell phones both stopped showing activity at 8:49.
Posted on 2/19/23 at 10:58 am to Grassy1
OK, this next bit is so frickin' strange:
LINK
This link to the UK Independent has a huge collections of links and it follows a time line.
IMO, it's a good read, well linked.
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To build a chronology of the events, agents with the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED) pulled records from the disbarred lawyer’s phone, as well as the victims’. The information collected from 6pm to 11pm on the day of the shootings shows several interactions between Maggie, Paul, Mr Murduagh and other relatives.
The report also shows a bizarre search by Mr Murdaugh at 10.40pm, just 34 minutes after alerting 911 dispatchers that he had found his wife and son’s bodies by the property’s dog kennels — and 15 minutes after the first deputy arrived on the scene.
“Alex Murdaugh searched ‘Whaley’s Edisto’ in Safari browser,” the timeline states.
LINK
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Mr Murdaugh called Maggie again at 10.03pm, just three minutes before calling 911.
This link to the UK Independent has a huge collections of links and it follows a time line.
IMO, it's a good read, well linked.
Posted on 2/19/23 at 12:04 pm to real turf fan
I'm no fan of Alex, and I do think that he murdered Paul and Maggie, but I might have to give him the benefit of the doubt on the Safari search. Surely it was a previous search that he accidentally clicked on in the aftermath.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
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