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re: Investigators When they KNEW Murdaugh lied (Page 112)
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:45 pm to AGGIES
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:45 pm to AGGIES
One thing that I have been wondering about AM leaving to go to his mothers house. It has been confirmed that he tried calling Maggie a few times before leaving and on the way back home. My question is why did he not try calling Paul? Everyone we have heard talked said Paul was always on his phone and always had his phone.
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:04 pm to CobraCommander83
Paul’s phone is another story, because Alex was worried about the potential for damning evidence on it.
If I recall, Alex had supposedly accessed the phone, or attempted to…
If I recall, Alex had supposedly accessed the phone, or attempted to…
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:10 pm to AGGIES
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Yeah well this is a huge flaw in Alex’s story.
The defense is going to have to explain why Alex didn’t take Maggie with him to visit his Dad - when that was the entire reason she drove down there?
Next thing we know - Alex goes to visit his mom (alone) instead of visiting his dad
I suspect the defense will argue that she drove up with the intention of going to see him, but not knowing that he was in the hospital. When she found out, she decided not to go with him to see his mother because in the shape she was in with Alzheimer's she would not recognize her.
Not saying that is what actually happened.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:17 pm to SpotCheckBilly
I hear ya, but to clarify:
What I’ve heard is that Maggie was staying at the beach house property, and she didn’t want to go to the Moselle property. She preferred to meet Alex at the hospital. But Alex persuaded her to go to Moselle first, and they would follow each other to the hospital. Maggie apparently had made a comment while driving over there that Alex sounded suspicious and was up to something…. (Paraphrasing)
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I suspect the defense will argue that she drove up with the intention of going to see him, but not knowing that he was in the hospital.
What I’ve heard is that Maggie was staying at the beach house property, and she didn’t want to go to the Moselle property. She preferred to meet Alex at the hospital. But Alex persuaded her to go to Moselle first, and they would follow each other to the hospital. Maggie apparently had made a comment while driving over there that Alex sounded suspicious and was up to something…. (Paraphrasing)
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:00 pm to SpotCheckBilly
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suspect the defense will argue that she drove up with the intention of going to see him, but not knowing that he was in the hospital. When she found out, she decided not to go with him to see his mother because in the shape she was in with Alzheimer's she would not recognize her.
Previous stories said she knew he was in the hospital because she told Alec she would just meet him at the hospital but Alec was adamant that she come to Moselle. I think he told her Paul was going to be there and that made her come.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:08 pm to SOSFAN
What stood out to me is that Maggie’s sister and one of Paul’s friend (last name Tuten) both said Alex was focused on clearing Paul’s name from the boat case…you’d think he’d be focused on who murdered them.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:08 pm to gravy553
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What stood out to me is that Maggie’s sister and one of Paul’s friend (last name Tuten) both said Alex was focused on clearing Paul’s name from the boat case…you’d think he’d be focused on who murdered them.
With Paul out of the picture, AM was hoping that the boat case would go away so that his finances would not be exposed and have to come up with millions to pay. Tinsley even said that there was a fear that hearings would be dropped and a jury would more likely side with AM.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:51 pm to real turf fan
The water that had pooled around Paul's Body had happened after the dogs' caretaker left around 4pm. On the stand he talked about washing down the kennel twice a day, how the water drained off and dried, and how he drained the hose every evening before hanging it up
So when the hose was seen lying loose on the ground, that had happend after he left. He also characterized how Paul and his Father left the hose if they used it.
LINK
So when the hose was seen lying loose on the ground, that had happend after he left. He also characterized how Paul and his Father left the hose if they used it.
LINK
Posted on 2/14/23 at 11:15 pm to real turf fan
Still don’t get the point.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 11:35 pm to Havoc
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Still don’t get the point.
That’s how I feel about all of the prosecution’s case. Did he murder them? Most probably because there honestly doesn’t seem to be any other realistic suspects and he didn’t seem too preoccupied with finding who murdered his wife and son. Has the state proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt? Not even close.
Just finish this trial and move on to the crimes they can nail him with. He’s spending the rest of his life in prison anyway.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 4:25 am to Havoc
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Still don’t get the point.
I can understand this and even at times I thought it a few times during the trial. I think the State has done a good enough job linking AM to the scene of the murders. However, I do not think they did a good enough job so far linking him to pulling the triggers. I believe the way the crime scene was handled, especially the house, really hurt the State’s case. I keep going back to how much evidence was missed by not during a better job searching the scene right after the murders. I believe he is guilty. I believe the jury thinks he is guilty but I’m not sure if they 100% believe it with everything that has been shown or said.
I heard some people that has been following the case since day 1 say something similar. Someone did ask one of them if there is a hung jury or even a mistrial , would the State try to regroup and get another trial. They said the chances would be pretty slim.
Honestly, I think the State has presented some great evidence but they also presented some that has not been very strong. AM has been the real only true suspect and with how the State has put all of there eggs in this basket, I thought we would see more concrete evidence. Like I said, I truly believe he is guilty but I don’t know if the jury is truly there based on the evidence so far.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 4:31 am to CobraCommander83
If there is a hung jury I’m willing to bet they re try the case. That seems like an absurd conclusion regardless of how close one followed the trial.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 5:15 am to TomballTiger
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If there is a hung jury I’m willing to bet they re try the case. That seems like an absurd conclusion regardless of how close one followed the trial.
I believe the State would look at their options and see if they could build a stronger case if that did happen.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:16 am to CobraCommander83
Meanwhile, the judge decides if the Sept 4 shooting of Alex and Cousin Eddie involvment will be heard by the jury today. LINK
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:52 am to real turf fan
Roadside shooting evidence excluded for now.
Look how fricking smug AM looks. THAT’S the guy that murdered his wife and son.
Look how fricking smug AM looks. THAT’S the guy that murdered his wife and son.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:49 am to CobraCommander83
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I can understand this and even at times I thought it a few times during the trial. I think the State has done a good enough job linking AM to the scene of the murders. However, I do not think they did a good enough job so far linking him to pulling the triggers. I believe the way the crime scene was handled, especially the house, really hurt the State’s case. I keep going back to how much evidence was missed by not during a better job searching the scene right after the murders. I believe he is guilty. I believe the jury thinks he is guilty but I’m not sure if they 100% believe it with everything that has been shown or said.
I heard some people that has been following the case since day 1 say something similar. Someone did ask one of them if there is a hung jury or even a mistrial , would the State try to regroup and get another trial. They said the chances would be pretty slim.
Honestly, I think the State has presented some great evidence but they also presented some that has not been very strong. AM has been the real only true suspect and with how the State has put all of there eggs in this basket, I thought we would see more concrete evidence. Like I said, I truly believe he is guilty but I don’t know if the jury is truly there based on the evidence so far.
Thats where I am. He either did it or knows who did it and was there when they did it but I don't know which. Not sure what the exact charges are but if the state is saying specifically that he pulled the trigger then they haven't sufficiently proven that beyond a reasonable doubt. Because they still haven't really explained "why".
ETA: Its the killing of the son that is going to be a bridge to far for a member of that jury. The way he was murdered, the evil of it at such close range. They really have to explain "why" he would do it. The wife...ehh..that happens more often I'd assume.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:21 am to blowmeauburn
It seems like every “why” opinion is almost always put forth from a normal perspective. Yes, why would an otherwise loving father kill his son?
But with Alex Murdaugh you’re not dealing with a normal mind. You’re dealing with someone shown to be cold-blooded, calculating and without scruples, as well as arguably unstable.
This same mind defrauded countless needy people out of money over many years, arranged for someone to either kill him (his story, for insurance proceeds (that apparently didn’t exist)) or wound him to support his revenge killing defense theory (prosecution theory, which btw many have testified had the desired effect), and claims fo have a long term opioid addiction.
He also pointedly followed up with people after the fact attempting to reframe certain key details that would support his alibi and according to many close to him, he didn’t seem interested in finding the “real killers.”
That guy would do something like this.
None of the above is meant as legal theory just general conjecture and opinion.
But with Alex Murdaugh you’re not dealing with a normal mind. You’re dealing with someone shown to be cold-blooded, calculating and without scruples, as well as arguably unstable.
This same mind defrauded countless needy people out of money over many years, arranged for someone to either kill him (his story, for insurance proceeds (that apparently didn’t exist)) or wound him to support his revenge killing defense theory (prosecution theory, which btw many have testified had the desired effect), and claims fo have a long term opioid addiction.
He also pointedly followed up with people after the fact attempting to reframe certain key details that would support his alibi and according to many close to him, he didn’t seem interested in finding the “real killers.”
That guy would do something like this.
None of the above is meant as legal theory just general conjecture and opinion.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:42 am to blowmeauburn
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ETA: Its the killing of the son that is going to be a bridge to far for a member of that jury. The way he was murdered, the evil of it at such close range. They really have to explain "why" he would do it.
More thoughts about the "why"....to guys like AM, losing their social status and being looked down upon is probably one of the worst things that can happen in life. From the outside, the life lived by him and his family was "perfect" and full of privelege and prestige. The testimony from friends and family members have confirmed that. They had a large social circle, multiple houses, cars, etc.
With the boat crash, it became a real possibility that Paul would end up serving jail time. Locals in Hampton started to treat the family differently. Maggie and AM were in denial about Paul driving the boat. According to Maggie's sister, Alex had already told Maggie that they could not buy the new house that she wanted. She had lived a life where money was never an issue, and it was about to become an issue. By making the decision to kill Paul and Maggie, he was going to save them from the embaressment of what was coming and also buy himself some time for all of this theivery that was going to be exposed. I think he thought that becoming social outcasts and losing their money was worse than death.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 11:15 am
Posted on 2/15/23 at 4:53 pm to ILurkThereforeIAm
South Carolina NPR reported on "inconsistancies" in Alex Murdaugh's answers to police questions and what their investigations found. This NPR also noted when he stopped crying when he learned Paul had sent the video of earlier on his death day.
This site has pictures of Alex Murdaugh reacting to the questions and in court today the examiner replied to a question that at that point Alex Murdaugh was the only suspect because of all the inconsistancies.
This site has pictures of Alex Murdaugh reacting to the questions and in court today the examiner replied to a question that at that point Alex Murdaugh was the only suspect because of all the inconsistancies.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 5:25 pm to real turf fan
I found a link that had all of the court videos on it. including the damning short clip of AM in different clothes on Paul's phone in video with the tree falling over.
I can't find it. Got a link for it? Thanks!
To me this is the all be all case. Showing AM before the two were shot and AM in different clothes; and the one video of Paul & the dog and AM's voice.
He never took a nap.
So what do you think? He paid someone to kill them? And ran to change his clothes after he fiddled with the bodies and Pauls phone? He panicked trying to get Paul's phone and left it?
The motive was the walls were closing in with his best lifelong friend confronting him; and he had them killed or killed them for the insurance money using the boat thing as cover for the murders?
I can't find it. Got a link for it? Thanks!
To me this is the all be all case. Showing AM before the two were shot and AM in different clothes; and the one video of Paul & the dog and AM's voice.
He never took a nap.
So what do you think? He paid someone to kill them? And ran to change his clothes after he fiddled with the bodies and Pauls phone? He panicked trying to get Paul's phone and left it?
The motive was the walls were closing in with his best lifelong friend confronting him; and he had them killed or killed them for the insurance money using the boat thing as cover for the murders?
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 5:26 pm
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