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re: Immune discovery may treat all cancer

Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:00 pm to
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64694 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:00 pm to
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. Cancer is not hard to beat. Greed is what is hard to beat.



Definitely not true.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:05 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:46 pm to
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Aaaaaaaaand Big Pharma just took over and will charge tooth and nail for a dosage.


Don't care what they charge, I'm excited about it.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32408 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 7:15 pm to
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Can you name an example of this happening? I want to believe this.


Iirc, tertiary treatment for squamous cell carcinoma of the lung was expedited.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
11250 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:01 pm to
I Am Legend freaked me the frick out. I have to grab my AR when I watch it.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10764 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:32 am to
So, only rich people should have children? There are a lot of good people who come from poor families and lots of trash from rich ones. So, LeBron, Jay Leno, Jennifer Lopez, Tom Cruise, Dolly Parton, and Shania Twain shouldn't be here since their parents were poor? The Kardashians and Paris Hilton should be since they come from money.
Posted by oldcharlie8
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2012
7905 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 7:17 am to
i've been hearing there's a cure for cancer since the 70s. always tested in lab animals and successful. only we never heard of the study again a few years later.

the stories always die out.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3767 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 7:26 am to
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Big Pharma just took over and will charge tooth and nail for a dosage


Removing the prospect of extraordinary financial success is a great way to make sure a cure is never found.

What did a high def TV originally cost when it first hit the market vs what you can get one for now? The same forces that eventually over time lower the cost of your TV can and do lower the cost of your medications - if you let them work.

The whole notion of "healthcare is a right" is an attempt to declare it too morally important to wait and allow these forces to work naturally because PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!! It's emotion over reason, and the slow creep of ideas like this and pharmaceutical price controls into politics will inevitably lead to fewer new drugs and shortages of the ones we do create.

Can't wait.

That's not to say there aren't problems that need to be rectified. But all too many people are falling for the wrong solutions.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 7:37 am
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
27557 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 7:34 am to
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Well, those researchers will die in a "car accident"...

This. Could have been cured decades ago.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18700 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 7:59 am to
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What did a high def TV originally cost when it first hit the market vs what you can get one for now? The same forces that eventually over time lower the cost of your TV can and do lower the cost of your medications - if you let them work.


so... in order for medicines to come down in price, they are going to start having to inject us with a tracking bug that will track every single thing we do in our lives? Because that's how TV's have come down in price... TV's are nothing but Advertisement portals that monitor every single thing you watch (even if you don't use the TV app) and sell it to the highest bidder.. or two to "recoup the cost" they lost from not selling that TV for $1k.
Posted by LB84
Member since May 2016
4588 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:01 am to
Feels like there has a been a "cure for cancer" mentioned every couple years for the past 20 years and we haven't cured anything.
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21259 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:03 am to
Already a cure it’s called cannabis

Seriously if this is true hopefully it gets tested and approved quickly lost to many friends, family, work colleagues, etc to cancer
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63676 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:13 am to
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Why cure with one drug when you can treat with 20?




Because the company with the cure can take full market share of teh companies with the 20?

This should be obvious.
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:58 am to
Good news.



But have heard stories like this before.
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
10977 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:18 am to
Immune discovery 'may treat all cancer'

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Our immune system is our body's natural defense against infection, but it also attacks cancerous cells. The scientists were looking for "unconventional" and previously undiscovered ways the immune system naturally attacks tumors. What they found was a T-cell inside people's blood. This is an immune cell that can scan the body to assess whether there is a threat that needs to be eliminated.


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How does it work?

T-cells have "receptors" on their surface that allow them to "see" at a chemical level. The Cardiff team discovered a T-cell and its receptor that could find and kill a wide range of cancerous cells in the lab including lung, skin, blood, colon, breast, bone, prostate, ovarian, kidney and cervical cancer cells.

Crucially, it left normal tissues untouched


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Why is this significant?

T-cell cancer therapies already exist and the development of cancer immunotherapy has been one of the most exciting advances in the field. The most famous example is CAR-T - a living drug made by genetically engineering a patient's T-cells to seek out and destroy cancer. CAR-T can have dramatic results that transform some patients from being terminally ill to being in complete remission.

However, the approach is highly specific and works in only a limited number of cancers where there is a clear target to train the T-cells to spot. And it has struggled to have any success in "solid cancers" - those that form tumors rather than blood cancers such as leukemia. The researchers say their T-cell receptor could lead to a "universal" cancer treatment


IMO, the way we treat cancer today is primitive...blasting the body with poison (chemo) killing good and bad cells.

Hopefully, one day soon in our lifetime, we can look back at this method and just shake our head in disgust.
Posted by browl
North of BR
Member since Nov 2017
1571 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:20 am to
This is one of a few "cure" type stories I've recently read. It seems like gentle incremental disclosure of secret/hidden advancements in biotech/medical is happening.
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
11164 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:46 am to
Don't need FDA approval since our president signed right to try.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40380 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:47 am to
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IMO, the way we treat cancer today is primitive...blasting the body with poison (chemo) killing good and bad cells.


That isn't really the standard anymore, but sometimes it is the only option.

All the cool kids are using targeted therapies, when they are available.

quote:

Hopefully, one day soon in our lifetime, we can look back at this method and just shake our head in disgust.


Maybe...
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37599 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:51 am to
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Aaaaaaaaand Big Pharma just took over and will charge tooth and nail for a dosage.


1) That's the wrong use of "tooth and nail"

2) The average cost to bring a new drug to market is between $2-$3 billion. Do you not think that any company taking that risk deserves to recoup their investment?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37599 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:53 am to
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Can you name an example of this happening? I want to believe this.


Google "fast track", "breakthrough therapy", and "accelerated approval".
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