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re: I'm convinced education's steep decline began and continues today for 3 main reasons!
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:07 pm to SwampyWaters
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:07 pm to SwampyWaters
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:08 pm to SwampyWaters
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Removal of God from the classroom
This isn't going to make kids 'smarter'. There is a separation of church and state for a reason. If you want your kids to learn reading, writing, and arithmetic send them to school. If you want them to learn about religion send them to church. Its pretty simple.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:08 pm to LSURussian
Parents and how they raise the child.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:08 pm to low end
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And again, OP referenced TODAY's students so I am speaking on things that are happening TODAY.
Unless Houston had an awesome school district that was greatly outperforming the rest of the nation and in the last year the rankings have absolutely tanked this budget cut had no effect. Money is not the reason for the failures of American schools. We spend more per student than anyone.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:12 pm to ryanlsu
Unless you think that suddenly all the poor-performing schools and districts will turn it around in a year, then everything that has happened and is currently happening is relevant.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:13 pm to SwampyWaters
I will add shitty teachers to the list.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:14 pm to low end
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More expensive than keeping the low-performing employees in place and having to pay for their screw ups?
Yes. By a mile. Low performing employees are much more expendable and replaceable. By this point, the company or system is already failing and needs an overhaul.
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And bringing this back to education, are you advocating for keeping the dumbest of the teachers and principals in place because they're cheaper? How does that fix the problem?
This is a sign that the school system was failing anyway. You need money. If you aren’t getting the money to pay the high performers, you won’t be able to keep them regardless.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:17 pm to DeafJam73
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You need money.
Yeah, agreed.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:18 pm to Paddyshack
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Prime example: common core math. Dumbest shite ever.
When I first started hearing about this I took some time to investigate it and pretty quickly figured out that is how I naturally manipulated large numbers since I was a child. I had tried to explain it to my mother when I was 8 or 9 and was hit with "that is too complicated".
Admittedly I am coming at it as being a very natural way to manipulate numbers since that is how I still do it today 50 years on but I think adults that think it is dumb simply don't get the elegance and have been doing basic math differently their whole lives but I would likely feel the same way if it didn't come naturally to me.
There are even better ways, even more foreign to most of us, to do simple math. The people you can hit with what is 658 * 4794 and they almost immediately reply 3,154,452 did not "write" 4794 over 658 in their mind.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:19 pm to low end
I don’t know why Houston school funding was slashed. School politics is always so messy.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:19 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Sounds like swimming is BS.
It's insane, but it's something he enjoys and he is good at it, so who am I to say no? If his grades suffer, things will have to change, but he did very well this past year.
Still, because the IB program here is part of a public school, he still has to take a lot of BS public school classes with the regular the non-IB kids, like "Life management Skills'
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:21 pm to low end
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Unless you think that suddenly all the poor-performing schools and districts will turn it around in a year, then everything that has happened and is currently happening is relevant.
I agree. But if schools have been trending downwards for 30 or 40 years in a row and then we take away lockers. If the next year we are still trending downwards I'm not going to blame the lack of lockers.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:23 pm to SwampyWaters
You listed 3 things removed but I can list 1 thing added to the classroom that has done more damage than all 3 of yours combined.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:26 pm to SwampyWaters
OP is 100% correct.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:35 pm to low end
I’d go with getting too involved with social issues vs educating.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:36 pm to low end
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The real answer is shrinking budgets and poor parenting.
Shrinking budgets???? We spend more on education that ever.
Agree about poor parenting.
I think the best thing that could happen would for the state legislatures to enact legislation requiring the teaching of math, science, history, english\grammar and pretty much nothing else (at least in the elementary school levels). High school would be allowed to teach higher levels of these categories (physics, chemistry etc) but nothing about gender identities or that crap.
Parents can teach their children that stuff if they desire.
Schools should also teach kids about taxes, balancing a budget and the theorys of compounding interest.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:37 pm to BRbornandraised
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I'm sure there are some devout Muslims and Hindu people in America who would agree with you. Or do you just mean the Christian god?
Muslims and Christians worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:38 pm to SwampyWaters
I saw the beginning of the decline of public schools in the mid-1970s, when the class wasn’t allowed to progress any faster than the slowest kid in the class.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:45 pm to TheRouxGuru
Bitching about originality in a thread talking about how “taking god out of school” and general cessation of corporeal punishment are both responsible for societal decline.
Very cool.
Very cool.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:50 pm to TheHarahanian
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I saw the beginning of the decline of public schools in the mid-1970s, when the class wasn’t allowed to progress any faster than the slowest kid in the class.
This. Bring back leveling and alternative school settings on a larger scale.
All those disruptions take way from teaching time. It is not fair to the kids who are capable and want to learn.
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