re: If Russia Started a War in the Baltics, NATO Would Lose — Quickly

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KAMCHATKA BITCH!!!

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Most glorious nation of kamchatkastan!

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Plane for plane, tank for tank, soldier for soldier, the US still leads Russia in quality.

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Then what the frick is the problem?????

If UPS can ship from NOLA to Hawaii in one day, the US military can handle getting enough arse kicking power to Europe... Calm the frick down


















frick yea

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Man I wish I had a meme of some nerds with neck beards sitting at a table playing war games.

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U.S. and Baltic troops — and American airpower — proved unable to halt the advance of mechanized Russian units and suffered heavy casualties, the report said.

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I call bullshite on this one. I'm sure you've read Red Storm Rising, Darth. I don't believe Russia could establish Air Superiority in Europe. And without Air Superiority,

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I call bullshite on this one. I'm sure you've read Red Storm Rising, Darth. I don't believe Russia could establish Air Superiority in Europe. And without Air Superiority

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In the initial stages of the war, the Russians most likely would establish air superiority over the Baltics. It's not a matter of them having better fighters. It's a matter of the current balance of forces in that area. We'd have to move air assets and take out their SAMs before we could get it back.

And yes, I've read Red Storm Rising. Great book.

And one more thing about your post. The A-10 is a damn fine bird. But it's EXTREMELY vulnerable to SAM's and even older Russian fighters. It's a ground attack aircraft and not designed for air to air combat. It would not be able to be effective over an European battlefield until NATO had both established air superiority and taken out the Russian's SAM network.

Remember the German Stukas? It's the modern day equivalent of it. Great at ground attack and brutally effective at killing tanks. But at the same time a sitting duck.

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n the initial stages of the war, the Russians most likely would establish air superiority over the Baltics

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Arguable. But even with F-15s, we still have an advantage over most if not all of Russia's best in air to air combat. I'm sure those Eagle drivers could hold their own until the cavalry showed up.

As for SAMs, our UAV and Stealth capabilities are still the best in the world. B-2's can deliver ordnance anywhere in the world within 24hrs, right?

The real kicker, much like in RSR, will be securing the North Atlantic. If the US & Royal Navies can seal off the GIUK gap, then the war is over.

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Arguable. But even with F-15s, we still have an advantage over most if not all of Russia's best in air to air combat. I'm sure those Eagle drivers could hold their own until the cavalry showed up.

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I have no doubt they'd bloody the Russian's nose. But the Russians also have some very good modern fighters as well. And as i said above, the difference in a war in the Baltic is the current balance of forces in that area, where it would count. That's why I said they'd probably gain air superiority in the initial stages. Once we've redeployed forces and taken out their SAM network, the tide would turn.

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As for SAMs, our UAV and Stealth capabilities are still the best in the world. B-2's can deliver ordnance anywhere in the world within 24hrs, right?

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This is how we'd eventually take out their SAM network. The problem is they've got a ton of them and it will not be easy or quick to take them down. It would not be like what we've seen in places like Iraq where in a matter of hours the enemy was left defenseless. It's going to take time and there will be losses.

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The real kicker, much like in RSR, will be securing the North Atlantic. If the US & Royal Navies can seal off the GIUK gap, then the war is over.

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I have no doubt between ourselves and the British we can secure the Atlantic. But here's the issue. If this Baltic War ever did come to pass, we'd have to redeploy to Europe at least two, if not three full corps from the US to Europe. That's going to take weeks or even months. What happens in the meantime? How far do the Russians get? How many European powers sue for peace knowing the Russians are days away while our forces at weeks or months away? There's an old saying from Confederate General N.B. Forrest about the difference in battle being "whoever gets there the firstest with the mostest". That would be our biggest problem in a European war as things stand today. Yes our army and air force are still better than the Russians. But that won't matter if we can't get them there in time.

Like the entire world came down on them for annexing Crimea or like the entire world came down on them for sending troops into Eastern Ukraine?