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re: If Russia Started a War in the Baltics, NATO Would Lose — Quickly
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:04 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:04 pm to Darth_Vader
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But were it come to war in Europe our navy would be tied down keeping the shipping lanes between the U.S. and Europe open and escorting the massive convoys it would take to move a sufficient ground force to counter the Russians move into eastern and central Europe.
I know we've had a huge draw down of the forces in Europe but have we also removed our prepositioned rolling stock and ammunition?
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:19 pm to Nature Boy
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Man I wish I had a meme of some nerds with neck beards sitting at a table playing war games.
You don't know who your friends are until you're all 3/4s of the way through bottles of bourbon and you're three hours in to a game of Risk that's tied.
Ze FAHZERLAND!
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:26 pm to Lakeboy7
Plane for plane, tank for tank, soldier for soldier, the US still leads Russia in quality. But to think their stuff is junk is plain ignorant. And the problem is they've got a shite load of it in Europe and we don't. What part of that don't you understand?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:33 pm to Darth_Vader
I think the non-ethnocentric part.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:54 pm to LSUERDOC
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LSUERDOC
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That's what we get for electing liberal pussies and RINOs. First thing they do is downsize the military.
W. budgeted 4.7 trillion dollars for the Dept of Defense during his eight years in office.
President Barack Obama has budgeted and spent 5.3 trillion dollars in just seven.
Plus that doesn't include budget increases for Homeland Security which is considered a separate department from Defense.
So no.
But thanks for letting all of us know how uninformed you are.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:04 pm to PygmalionEffect
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:04 pm to uway
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Because you sound like a sociopath.
He probably is.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:07 pm to GetCocky11
We need to pull most of our troops out of Europe and put them on our southern border where a threat actually exists.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:09 pm to X123F45
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Ze FAHZERLAND!
KAMCHATKA BITCH!!!
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:10 pm to Cdawg
MADAGASCAR was always one of my favorites to conquer for some odd reason before I was 8 years old.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:30 pm to Darth_Vader
Here is what I understand, their equipment and munitions are low quality, I've seen their stuff in Lebanon and Iraq. It's shite.
The personnel that operate and maintain that equipment are the same, not well trained or motivated and drunk every chance they get.
Could they push through an undefended frontier? Maybe, then they get slaughtered, which is something the Russian army Is familiar with.
The personnel that operate and maintain that equipment are the same, not well trained or motivated and drunk every chance they get.
Could they push through an undefended frontier? Maybe, then they get slaughtered, which is something the Russian army Is familiar with.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:42 pm to Lakeboy7
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Here is what I understand, their equipment and munitions are low quality, I've seen their stuff in Lebanon and Iraq. It's shite.
What you've seen in Lebanon and Iraq are export versions of their stuff and most of that is older, dated equipment. I've seen (and engaged) it as well.
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The personnel that operate and maintain that equipment are the same, not well trained or motivated and drunk every chance they get.
Russian troops, though not trained to our standard, are still pretty well trained.
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Could they push through an undefended frontier? Maybe, then they get slaughtered, which is something the Russian army Is familiar with.
And that's the problem we face today. Europe is all but undefended. And it would take one of the largest logistical undertakings in history, taking probably months, for us to get a force into Europe of sufficient size to stem an invasion. By the time we got there with enough of a force to do really anything it would already be over.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:47 pm to Darth_Vader
What is the strategic value of the Baltics for the US?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:51 pm to arn
Lots of hot chicks
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:53 pm to Darth_Vader
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And that's the problem we face today. Europe is all but undefended. And it would take one of the largest logistical undertakings in history, taking probably months, for us to get a force into Europe of sufficient size to stem an invasion. By the time we got there with enough of a force to do really anything it would already be over.
The war games predicted that they could take the Baltic states. Are you conceding all of Europe now?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:30 pm to northshorebamaman
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war games predicted that they could take the Baltic states. Are you conceding all of Europe now?
I'd guess they could make it to at least central Germany before a solid defensive line could be established. You've got to take two things into account.
1. The lack of forces in Europe
2. The logistics of moving two or three corps from the US to Europe.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:32 pm to Darth_Vader
frick moving troops over there. I could give two shits about the Europeans.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:35 pm to Darth_Vader
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“The games’ findings are unambiguous: As currently postured, NATO cannot successfully defend the territory of its most exposed members,” said a report by the RAND Corp., which led the war gaming research.
Would you like to play a game?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:38 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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frick moving troops over there. I could give two shits about the Europeans.
I agree. The countries of Europe should build their own forces up to defend their own homes.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:57 pm to Darth_Vader
Europe is already being invaded and doesn't see fit to preserve itself. Russia is the least of it's problems.
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