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re: Idaho Murders Thread (Links inside)
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:30 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:30 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Please stop with this. Some of you guys are so far off in the weeds regarding this girl that it’s detailing the thread. The police did not compel or ask either witness to submit to a toxicology test. Why would they? There’s no reason for it. This idea that the defense is going to compel her to submit to one months later is equally absurd. A toxicology test done today would have absolutely zero bearing on her state of mind the night of the murders. There is no need to continue on page after page about something that has no bearing in reality on the case
You are for certain they did not have them submit to toxicology?
You are the one that need to chill the frick out. Seriously, its like anyone posts any fricking thing that you slightly disagree with you go off the fricking rails. Its childish and honestly fricking annoying.
I never said they would make her submit a current toxicology dumbass, but if she did have one done as a part of eliminating her as a suspect then yes, they can make that admissible in court.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:37 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:He could have use the same real-estate video we used a few pages back to get a feel for the layout and he should know who lived in each room by his stalking observations. He may have crashed parties there as well. I dont think he just freeballed this crime, he planned it and his plan was shite and I hope he rots in hell for it.
But it seems he knew the house so it would make some sense that he had been there before.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:39 pm to AUWDE
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You are for certain they did not have them submit to toxicology?
I would bet my life on it that police did not have them submit a toxicology test. Police were dealing with a quadruple homicide not a dui stop. On what grounds would cops make potential witnesses submit to a toxicology report? Have you ever seen or heard of any witness anywhere being asked to submit to such a thing? The only toxicology reports that are going to presented are those of the victims and that is because it’s standard procedure for autopsies
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:40 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
No use arguing with this kind of stupidity.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:49 pm to Tiger Ryno
Unfortunately it’s stupidly that has derailed this thread. As soon as it was revealed she saw the killer it all became about how drunk or high was this girl. What purpose does it serve to continue to throw her under the bus as a potentially drunken or chemically incapacitated witness?
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:54 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Unfortunately it’s stupidly that has derailed this thread. As soon as it was revealed she saw the killer it all became about how drunk or high was this girl. What purpose does it serve to continue to throw her under the bus as a potentially drunken or chemically incapacitated witness?
It seems unfair to judge her without knowing exactly what went down. People can speculate, but don't really see the point without knowing more.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:02 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Unfortunately it’s stupidly that has derailed this thread. As soon as it was revealed she saw the killer it all became about how drunk or high was this girl. What purpose does it serve to continue to throw her under the bus as a potentially drunken or chemically incapacitated witness?
No it didn’t. Most people are in disbelief over how she could behave as she did given the situation. Some of you are knighting for this chick like you have a chance to fricke her. Get over it. People who don’t spend all day immersed in this shite are genuinely curious about her thought process. Few- if any- are trying to denigrate her.
It’s
Just a bizarre chain of events about which people are genuinely interested.
Some of you “sleuths” are becoming as weird as the suspect with your overreaction to simple inquiries from other posters.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:04 pm to TrueTigerTale
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was reported he was a loner in college with a high IQ and studied criminology and BTK's killings. It seems logical and
Interesting that BTK's first killings happen to also be 4 people.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:11 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
The State will absolutely put Dylan on the stand. They can't afford not to.
The jury is going to know through the testimony of other witness (the investigating officers) and the 911 tape that an eyewitness exists and has been interviewed by law enforcement.
If you're the prosecutor and you don't put the eyewitness on the stand, you're just providing fodder for the jury to sit in the jury room and wonder WHY you didn't put her on the stand. (You'll have jurors speculating that you didn't put her on the stand because she gave a description of someone that did NOT match up with the physical characteristics of Kohberger ... that's absolutely fuel for reasonable doubt).
The prosecutor has to live with any alleged credibility problems that she might present as those credibility problems aren't going to be fatal to the state's case.
The prosecutor can make the pitch that regardless of her credibility issues, she is just one more element that helps to bolster the other circumstantial evidence ... ie - DNA and phone records. She doesn't have to positively identify him, just saying there was an intruder in the house during that time frame, will be enough.
The jury is going to know through the testimony of other witness (the investigating officers) and the 911 tape that an eyewitness exists and has been interviewed by law enforcement.
If you're the prosecutor and you don't put the eyewitness on the stand, you're just providing fodder for the jury to sit in the jury room and wonder WHY you didn't put her on the stand. (You'll have jurors speculating that you didn't put her on the stand because she gave a description of someone that did NOT match up with the physical characteristics of Kohberger ... that's absolutely fuel for reasonable doubt).
The prosecutor has to live with any alleged credibility problems that she might present as those credibility problems aren't going to be fatal to the state's case.
The prosecutor can make the pitch that regardless of her credibility issues, she is just one more element that helps to bolster the other circumstantial evidence ... ie - DNA and phone records. She doesn't have to positively identify him, just saying there was an intruder in the house during that time frame, will be enough.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:20 pm to LSUintheNW
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They have so much other evidence that there's no reason to ask Dylan to testify that the person she saw is the defendant. Too easy for the defense to pick apart that testimony.
Exactly why the defense will call her if the prosecution doesn't.
If the prosecution only has someone who can point out build and eye brows, provide some context with some things she heard along with a general after 4am murder timeframe, and the possible exit killer used this shouldn’t even be going to trial.
She doesn’t specifically place him there. She didn’t even witness murders, see blood, or knife that we know of. She just adds weight to other evidence being used to calculate timeframe of murders with what she heard and that a male with similar build and eyebrows to defendant was seen in house during this time frame heading towards the back door and also might have earlier made a creepy comment about being there to help (which she can’t directly tie to this guy). She heard less of what could be described as violence than the security cam next door.
Without her they know all 4 were murdered by a knife. His DNA was on knife sheath. They know Xana was alive at 4am and likely using TikTok later. At 4:17am they have dog barking, voices/wimper followed by a thud on a neighbor security cam 50 ft away from her bedroom. They have videos of car coming and going. They know he has similar car including not having front license plate at time of murders matching some videos. They know his travel with phone on and when phone was turned off and back on.
Before anything police may learn after his arrest the biggest problem defense has right now is minimizing his dna on sheath as possibly left on it before that night or find some other technicality to remove entirely and then find a way to reasonably push out time of death past 4:20am then white car doesn’t matter as much nor do
sounds on neighbor’s security cam and the farther out from 4:20am the less the timeframe of his phone being off matters.
If these happen and prosecutor still decides to continue relying on Dylan for time of murders and for seeing someone in house who fits build and eyebrows of defendant the defense will tear her apart during cross, but the defense has a lot of work before this would be effective overall (& hopefully a lot more work for them is found with new evidence).
The only way the defense calls her to the stand themselves would be to try to create doubt by pinning the murders on her, but nothing by itself attributed to Dylan in affidavit would achieve this or even come close. I also don’t think using being scared and showing poor judgment in waiting to call cops to paint her as the murderer would play well to jury.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:23 pm to tigerinthebueche
That’s an awfully angry response to someone saying enough is enough. We don’t need to keep tossing this girl under the bus. Besides if some of you will stfu and read instead of continuing to chase her non existent tox report, you’ll find quite a few reasonable explanations as to her behavior posted in this thread. They just been buried by the “sleuths” trying to determine with absolute specificity the chemical composition of her blood at 4am.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:32 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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We don’t need to keep tossing this girl under the bus.
i really don't see anybody doing this...people are asking questions about multiple aspects of the case...there is no one posting in this thread who has any bearing on what happens at trial...and fyi, the survivors had to be cleared as suspects before they were considered witnesses...
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:33 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Most people are in disbelief over how she could behave as she did given the situation.
Because they're not thinking.
It was a party house, Her fear was probably something she realized after the fact. At the time she probably wasn't too concerned.
Memories change after the fact. I imagine she saw the guy, the guy didn't see her and she didn't think too much of it at the time.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:37 pm to dallastigers
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the biggest problem defense has right now is minimizing his dna on sheath
Early on, it seems like at least one of the victims' parents(Xana and/or Kaylee's) mentioned that they had fought back.
If so, it seems like the odds of there being other dna evidence linking the POS to this crime are pretty high. Not to mention the odds of him cutting himself during the attacks.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:40 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
“I suspect he was in that house before”
I read that his phone had pinged the tower in the area of the house at least 12 times between Aug 12th and Nov 13 th during the late evening or early morning hours.
He definitely was stalking at least one of the girls.
I think it was likely he had found the house empty a time or two,doors probably unlocked so he walks in and takes a tour ,familiarizing himself with the layout.
I read that his phone had pinged the tower in the area of the house at least 12 times between Aug 12th and Nov 13 th during the late evening or early morning hours.
He definitely was stalking at least one of the girls.
I think it was likely he had found the house empty a time or two,doors probably unlocked so he walks in and takes a tour ,familiarizing himself with the layout.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:42 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Just my $.02. Drunk, stoned, completely sober, whatever at 4:00 in the morning if I’m awake / awoken by noises and crying and I see some masked dude come walking through my house then I’m calling the cops immediately. No way I could go back to sleep.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:48 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Why is this line of questioning even a discussion? The police were called and discovered a quadruple homicide. They didn’t turn around and then make the roommates do a field sobriety test or submit blood samples for a toxicology report. To even suggest they did is asinine. Instead of speculating at the possibility of her toxicology report being used against her in court, just stop. There is no toxicology report for the surviving roommates. There wasn’t a need for one.
I didn’t say a toxicology report had already been administered. Not once. I inferred that if the girl was fricked up, the defense team would utilize that information. And that’s only if that information would be attainable.
I don’t thing anyone is blaming this girl. I certainly am not. I’m looking at this particular moment with legal prosecution vs. defense lenses. And I hate that it’s going to ruin the girl even further.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:49 pm to crimsonsaint
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my house
Well, there ya go…..
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:56 pm to crimsonsaint
I don’t think she went back to sleep. Probably froze up some type of trauma Induced dissociation.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:59 pm to LSUA 75
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doors probably unlocked so he walks in and takes a tour ,familiarizing himself with the layout
I think that’s a bit much. No way he was that freaking brazen just to get a layout of the house.
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