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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:49 am to
Posted by Hangit
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:49 am to
I just realized he was Jewish. Were any of the 6 in the house Jewish?

I did not see the video of him attending a vigil. Did he drive the Elantra there?
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:49 am to
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I just don't get how he is so confident he would be exonerated


I hate responding to quotes from so many pages back without catching up (I think this was posted on 105 and we’re now up to 118), but I’ve seen this posted a couple of times the past few pages and wanted to ask why anybody actually believes he is confident he will be exonerated.

Because his attorney said it? His parents? Or did he actually say it in court? (I was on the road until midnight last night, but did see a snippet of him answering questions from the judge about his charges and possible penalties). Regardless, his parents may still be in denial and confident of exoneration, but there is zero chance ol Bryan and his attorney are. They know he’s right fricked, no matter what they actually say.

Now, he might not have known just how fricked he was until he got back to Idaho yesterday—that’s why he waived extradition, he wanted to get back so he could read the probable cause affidavit and see just how fricked he was. He’s probably been sweating that sheath like a fricking madman, trying to convince himself it was anywhere besides at the scene. And maybe that worked since nothing about the sheath ever came out until yesterday. Same with several things we—and Bryan—didn’t find out until the unsealing. He may have actually been confident when arrested in PA, but by the time he got back to Moscow and read that affidavit, his “Oof” level must have been off the charts.

Speaking of which, I think law enforcement did a fantastic job with either not releasing info or releasing misleading info to possibly give him a false sense of security. They could have done a better job of communicating with the 1 dad at 1st—not telling him more, just doing a better job of explaining why they couldn’t tell him more. I think the ISL or FBI probably brought in a more experienced liaison for the family, maybe better explained their strategy, and he finally realized he needed to stfu a bit.

I wonder how much the FBI’s BAU played a part in this. If you’ve seen Criminal Minds, you know that’s their Behavioral Analysis Unit that is sometimes invited in by local law enforcement and creates the profiles on potential killers. I know a lot of people just think about when they get it wrong (Richard Jewel, DTL), but I’ve been kinda fascinated with it since I read the book Mindhunter back in the mid-late 90s (book Netflix show based on) and think some of their profiling can be absolutely incredible. I just don’t think we see their “wins,” so we only remember things like DTL’s white truck miss.

And we may never know, but I bet they had a pretty accurate profile on ol’ Bryan and put out some things that were either red herrings or straight up lies: 1) the timeline seems to have shifted 30-45 minutes later than 1st reported and assumed until yesterday, 2) that they were all asleep when killed, 3) that the bottom floor roommates slept through it and didn’t see or hear anything, 4) that the Elantra was an ‘11-‘13 model (it was a ‘15, but that could simply have been a mistake), 5) that they didn’t ask for white Elantra tips from the public until 12/7, but were talking about it in LEO circles as early as 11/23(?), 6) “Food Truck Guy”, 7) “I told Adam everything” video, 8) local detectives were amateurs, waited too long to call in the ISP and FBI and fricked up the crime scene, etc…

Back to point of my post: I bet they had him nailed pretty good as far as what kind of person would have done this (huge narcissistic sociopath), and I think they eliminated people close to them almost immediately. And a lot of what was released in press conferences or leaked to news sources—especially after they knew who he was but didn’t have enough yet to charge—was done more to lull him into a false sense of security to see if he’d frick up than to give the public accurate information.

So if he was following along, he probably did feel confident he’d be exonerated, because it appeared they had nothing substantial on him. But then he read the affidavit yesterday and realized he’s properly fricked. There is zero chance he believes that now. He’s fricked and has no leverage if the DA (with the parents’ blessings) decides to go after the death penalty (I’m behind—has there been any mention of this?). He has nothing to bargain with for a plea deal that keeps that off the table.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:52 am to
the affidavit said he did not return to Moscow after the day after the murder.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:55 am to
That's a Hot take, Carl.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:55 am to
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I wonder what he did with the knife. I assume that it's buried in BFE Idaho/Washington or buried in a river / stream bed under a pile of rocks in Idaho/Washington.


He made a 1700 mile journey by car back to PA. He could have disposed of it at any point along the way.
Posted by tunechi
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:55 am to
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baldona


Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36787 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:57 am to
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the affidavit said he did not return to Moscow after the day after the murder.


I don't think it's him, but so many were asking for it I posted it.

Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:01 pm to
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He made a 1700 mile journey by car back to PA. He could have disposed of it at any point along the way.


Father: "Son, what's that?"

Bryan: "A knife, dad."

Father: "Where'd you get it? And what for? It looks massive..."

Bryan: "It isn't important. Hold the wheel for me, will ya, Pop?"

(Bryan rolls down window and throws 12in. knife out the window).
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 12:03 pm
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:06 pm to
I agree with a lot of this regarding the misinformation . Imo They were on him pretty quickly but you gotta realIze there were 20k tips so just going Thru that and narrowing down a list of possible perps would take a while.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
21428 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:08 pm to
Or hey pops I’m gonna stop here and grab some gas. Mind pumping while I run in and drop a deuce?

Sure son

Walks inside with back pack, buries the knife in trash.

Tons of ways to dispose of it along the way without arousing pop’s suspicion
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:09 pm to
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He made a 1700 mile journey by car back to PA. He could have disposed of it at any point along the way.


That's risky though - the murder weapon is a massive smoking gun. You don't want to hold on to it for more than a month.

"Leave the gun, take the cannoli" is for a reason.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36787 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:10 pm to
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He’s probably been sweating that sheath like a fricking madman, trying to convince himself it was anywhere besides at the scene. And maybe that worked since nothing about the sheath ever came out until yesterday.



Except when they announced they were looking for a Ka-Bar style knife about 3 days after the murders.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 12:13 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24176 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:13 pm to
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Except when they announced they were looking for a Ka-Bar style knife about 3 days after the murder.


I'm sure you guys will downvote me for this, but I don't believe its 100% a Ka-Bar knife that was used. Just as you said, that style and rough size. I have knives in improper sheaths, is all I'm alluding to.

If this guy had half a brain, someone might consider leaving BS evidence to throw the police off like the wrong sheath. But we can likely agree he's just a dumbass and he probably bought it with a CC a month ago online and shipped it to his house.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59893 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:13 pm to
He was in Clarkson WA at a coffee shop right there where two rivers split after noon on the day of the murders.

LINK
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted by TigersLSU
St Augustine, FL
Member since Nov 2007
567 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:14 pm to
The timing of the door dash is interesting. I wonder if during his stakeouts, he realized someone ordered door dash a lot around that time of night and thought that if he did the killing immediately after the delivery, cops would try and pin it on the delivery driver. The time between the delivery and the murders is strangely close.

Also, I hope they televise the trial. Will be a popular one for sure.
Posted by Tortious
ATX
Member since Nov 2010
5724 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:14 pm to
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Wouldn't they just have to pose as the normal garbage pickup?


Amazon delivery drivers, Postmen, plumbers, chimney sweeps, etc., or any variety of people you see pull up in a neighborhood and think nothing of their truck sitting there.
Posted by LSUMANINVA
West Virginia
Member since Sep 2004
9507 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:16 pm to
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I mean... it could be him. Or it could be about 1/8 of the rest of the population.


The one I saw showed his profile. That nose is pretty distinguishable.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:16 pm to
We don't know what was disposed of in the neighbors bins. It could have just been regular trash with his DNA on it and he was guarding against them searching his patent trash can. If he carried evidence like the knife or his clothes or shite like that in his car on a 2500 mile trip he's the biggest dumbass of all time.

I'm guessing all of that stuff was quickly disposed of after the murders.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10522 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:16 pm to
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the affidavit said he did not return to Moscow after the day after the murder.


I thought it said that his specific cell phone number in the search warrant hasn’t connected to any tower providing service to Moscow since that day.

Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
62638 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:17 pm to
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They had to know this dude was the guy based on all the evidence so why let him destroy more evidence by cleaning the car?


1) I think the very fact that he cleaned his car like that is evidence (circumstantial as it may be) of his guilt

2) No matter how well he cleaned his car, there’s no way he’s getting rid of all the blood he had to have tracked into it

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I don't really get why it took so long to arrest him. Like why get DNA from the parent's house and not his before he left?


I’m sure that will come out. Probably waiting on something else to come back. They wanted to make sure they had enough to convict him before they arrested and charged him, because the clock starts ticking as soon as he’s charged (constitution guarantees a swift trial). As long as they were watching him and were confident he wasn’t gonna kill again, no reason to arrest him until they were satisfied they had enough to build a case, even if they knew it was him a month prior.

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Either way, doesn't matter. Dude's fricked.


Oh, no doubt. I don’t even know what his defense could even begin to be. And like I said earlier, he doesn’t even have anything to bargain with for a plea.
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