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re: I was a member of the jury on the Garrett Ward trial. AMA.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:55 am to cbdman
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:55 am to cbdman
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Believe he's parole eligible upon serving 65% of the sentence.
In the least, would receive good time credit at 3 for every 17 days served (~82%).
That makes the minimum on a 30 year sentence just over 16.5 years with max good time.
napkin math
parole eligible at .65 x 30 = 19.5 years
after 16.5 years you could have 1062 good time days or 2.9 years
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Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:56 am to Obtuse1
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First, do you believe that Ward hit the decedant?
Second, do you believe the injuries sustained by the decedent were the proximate cause of his death?
If you don't agree with those quite reading and if you would explain what you don't believe and why.
If you agree with those two proffers then you would agree there was a homicide. In this case it was charged as both manslaughter and murder. I am ASSUMING your concerns are around the fact you think Ward may have had a legal right to hit the decedent. I also assume if this is the case then you see a possible self-defense argument.
Unless someone suggests LA does not follow the Alston case then affirmative defenses shift the burden of proof to the defendant. Do you think Ward proved his self-defense claim by a preponderance of the evidence? Do you think Ward also stopped battering the decedent when he no longer could claim his actions were covered by the self-defense affirmative defense?
No one cares about your lawyer jargon, again.
No one thinks he didn't kill the guy.
No one thinks he shouldn't get sentenced for manslaughter.
Most logical people think 30 years for this is a bit ridiculous, and even saying he'll only serve half of it, that's still ridiculous in my eyes.
How often do you read about some guy that already committed murder and was released from prison somehow and goes and commits more crime?
Here's a nice example, took me less than 2 minutes to find one on WAFB.
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A convicted murderer who served 15 years in prison has been arrested for recording video of a juvenile in the shower, according to officials.
The Caddo Parish Sheriff’s Office said Andrew Campbell, 36, was arrested Friday in Louisiana and charged with video voyeurism targeting a minor under the age of 13.
That guy right there is a danger to society. He'll probably go back to jail for a little while and will be back out in no time, and he's probably going to eventually do something heinous like rape and/or murder again.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:05 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Is much more interesting and valuable that your factually inaccurate statements, speculation, and false equivalencies.
No one cares about your lawyer jargon, again.
quote:He was literally replying to someone who suggested there was reasonable doubt. You understand that reasonable doubt = not guilty right? Many posters in this thread have been arguing reasonable doubt.
No one thinks he shouldn't get sentenced for manslaughter.
quote:First, you have no basis for this proposition and assume 1) that you are logical and 2) most people think like you. Second, the poster you are responding to previously expressed his thoughts that 30 years was a bit stiff, IIRC.
Most logical people think 30 years for this is a bit ridiculous
quote:What point do you think you are making with your probably and eventualities? There may be a valid point to be made about sentencing inequalities, but you haven’t formed it quite yet.
He'll probably go back to jail for a little while and will be back out in no time, and he's probably going to eventually do something heinous like rape and/or murder again.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:06 am to LSUcdro
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Aren't they financially compensated?
And no one HAS to do it... thats a volunteer/ qualifying type thing
Expert witnesses are usually paid.
One's that have direct connections to a case (coroner, treating physicians, etc) can be subpoenaed so they don't have a "choice".
Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:16 am to TeddyPadillac
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No one thinks he shouldn't get sentenced for manslaughter.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Both times I posted my "lawyer jargon" they were directed at posters that were questioning if the jurors making it to the burden of proof bar. I was and still am curious what elements of the crime those individuals felt the prosecution did not prove.
As for the sentence just on the base facts, I would expect this to be a 8-12y plea or a 15-20y verdict sentence. Based on what I have heard there just didn't seem to be much teeth in the defense.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:26 am to TeddyPadillac
You’re upset that Ward didn’t get off as light as some killers have before but you’re also upset that those killers got off light?
From this statement, I’d think you’d be happy with the 30 that Ward received. He’s gonna have a hard time killing anyone not in a prison for the next 16+ years.
This is true for Ward too, again the 30 years seems like something you’d like to see.
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How often do you read about some guy that already committed murder and was released from prison somehow and goes and commits more crime?
From this statement, I’d think you’d be happy with the 30 that Ward received. He’s gonna have a hard time killing anyone not in a prison for the next 16+ years.
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That guy right there is a danger to society
This is true for Ward too, again the 30 years seems like something you’d like to see.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:28 am to Obtuse1
Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:33 am to AlextheBodacious
I'm truly interested as to how his prison term plays out.
Foremost, do we know where he's going? Surely he isn't still at Orleans Justice Center. Is he at Angola? Hunt? The one in Homer?
I'd imagine he won't be segregated from the rest of the population, correct? He better start working on his story. His appearance immediately makes him stick out...prisoners are immediately going to confront him and start questioning him. It better be on-point. They can tell, based on your sentencing, what correlates with what, and they'll immediately notice holes in the story.
Now, I don't think his crime will be this thing that immediately warrants him getting shanked, like many suggest. Prisoners don't care. It's all about what you can do for them, get for them, and such.
He would be wise to stick to himself, if not, frick...he better shave his head and start getting tatted up.
Foremost, do we know where he's going? Surely he isn't still at Orleans Justice Center. Is he at Angola? Hunt? The one in Homer?
I'd imagine he won't be segregated from the rest of the population, correct? He better start working on his story. His appearance immediately makes him stick out...prisoners are immediately going to confront him and start questioning him. It better be on-point. They can tell, based on your sentencing, what correlates with what, and they'll immediately notice holes in the story.
Now, I don't think his crime will be this thing that immediately warrants him getting shanked, like many suggest. Prisoners don't care. It's all about what you can do for them, get for them, and such.
He would be wise to stick to himself, if not, frick...he better shave his head and start getting tatted up.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:48 am to GentleJackJones
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Foremost, do we know where he's going? Surely he isn't still at Orleans Justice Center. Is he at Angola? Hunt? The one in Homer?
DPS&C still shows him at OJC. I have no idea how long it takes them to move a sentenced inmate nor how long it takes to update their public-facing inmate search.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:50 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:are we saying that ward isn't like this guy bc he prob won't do it again?
That guy right there is a danger to society. He'll probably go back to jail for a little while and will be back out in no time, and he's probably going to eventually do something heinous like rape and/or murder again.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:10 pm to WDE24
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The benefits of a plea bargain. Ward likely could have plead and gotten much less than 30 years.
He tried to plea. The victim's family wouldn't agree to it unless Ward's family gave them cash.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:17 pm to tigercross
I saw someone mention that in this thread, but haven’t seen a link. The family technically doesn’t have to agree, but in a case like this the DA usually consults the family and weighs their wishes heavily. That may be true.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:20 pm to tigercross
Why didn’t they give them cash
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:28 pm to djangochained
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Why didn’t they give them cash
Probably didn't like their son enough
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:40 pm to LSUcdro
He said he was compensated. He also said he doesn’t like being an expert witness.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 1:45 pm to Reluctantjuror
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He said he was compensated. He also said he doesn’t like being an expert witness.
Then he doesn't have to be! Plaintiff experts in PI cases are the absolute worst. Whores..
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:41 pm to Earnest_P
The main thing you got wrong in criticizing the jury on this point is that the DEFENSE has the burden of proving self defense. Once the prosecution sets forth its case, it is up to the Defense to put on evidence showing that the homicide was "justified." That is the actual legal term, the Defendant has to essentially admit the the homicide occurred and then it is up to them to prove it was justified.
If the juror says they "don't believe" it was self defense, that is the same thing as saying "the defense failed to carry its burden to establish justification beyond a reasonable doubt."
If the juror says they "don't believe" it was self defense, that is the same thing as saying "the defense failed to carry its burden to establish justification beyond a reasonable doubt."
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:45 pm to WDE24
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I saw someone mention that in this thread, but haven’t seen a link. The family technically doesn’t have to agree, but in a case like this the DA usually consults the family and weighs their wishes heavily. That may be true.
Didn't someone say that they backed out at the last minute and changed their minds about letting him take the plea deal? Maybe someone got it in their heads that they could get him convicted and win a wrongful death suit against Ward. I'm guessing he doesn't have a lot of cash and/or assets though
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:55 pm to WDE24
Do we know if parole is even a given in Ward’s situation or was it mandated he serve the entire sentence without the benefit of parole?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 3:00 pm to jchamil
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Maybe someone got it in their heads that they could get him convicted and win a wrongful death suit against Ward. I'm guessing he doesn't have a lot of cash and/or assets though
Ward was 26 at the time of his arrest IIRC and he likely didn't add too much to his piggy bank in the last 4 years. I don't the wrongful death case would ever recover much if anything no matter what the verdict was. If he was concerned about this eventuality he would have put as much money into the $80k+ bond fee from his own money. That wouldn't be considered a fraudulent transfer so you couldn't claw it back to satisfy a judgement. This isn't to say the family might not have had unreasonable expectations of recovery if they pursued what is likely now to be a slam dunk WD case.
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