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re: I don't believe in the sentence of life without parole.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:33 pm to grizzlylongcut
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:33 pm to grizzlylongcut
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I could compromise with this. Make it like a Gulag for those frickers.
I've always wondered why we don't use a few islands as prisons. No guards, no prison walls. Just drop them off with a few packs of seeds to grow their food, have someone monitoring to make sure that no boats get near the island for an escape, and let them live like the kids in Lord Of The Flies.
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:37 pm to DaleGribble
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I've always wondered why we don't use a few islands as prisons. No guards, no prison walls. Just drop them off with a few packs of seeds to grow their food, have someone monitoring to make sure that no boats get near the island for an escape, and let them live like the kids in Lord Of The Flies.
Stalin did, I watched this on Netflix or Amazon I forget which, crazy AF
Island Gulag
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:38 pm to grizzlylongcut
What about for those wrongly convicted?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:39 pm to LSUWoodworker
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I think it is actually more punishment to be a caged animal for life w/o parole. Execution is quick and painless
Punishment is also intended to be a deterrent to crime. There is nothing more effective at reducing repeat criminal offenses by an individual than execution.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:39 pm to grizzlylongcut
Would really have sucked for all of those people who were later exonerated
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:43 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Convicted by a jury of your peers.
With evidence manipulated and censored by the government who is fighting you with an unlimited budget and providing legal defense by the crayon eaters of the legal world.
I've seen this Netflix special too many times.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:50 pm to transcend
If you feel that the death penalty is a wonderful deterrent hen why is the murder rate going up? The truth is the death penalty does not work and it costs a lot more in legal costs due to all of the appeals.
It is way cheaper to give them a plea bargain of life without parole and take appeals off of the table
As to the thought that life without parole is easy on the prisoner then I suggest you go to Angola for a tour or talk to anyone recently released. If you think the death penalty using injections is easy then volunteer to go watch an execution.
As to the thought that they should be executed the way they killed their victim, read the bill of rights.
all that said, I am in favor of the death penalty for extreme crimes involving children.
It is way cheaper to give them a plea bargain of life without parole and take appeals off of the table
As to the thought that life without parole is easy on the prisoner then I suggest you go to Angola for a tour or talk to anyone recently released. If you think the death penalty using injections is easy then volunteer to go watch an execution.
As to the thought that they should be executed the way they killed their victim, read the bill of rights.
all that said, I am in favor of the death penalty for extreme crimes involving children.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:53 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Convicted by a jury of your peers.
Juries are nearly always full of average people with average intelligence — and untold biases.
Oh, and police and prosecution will lie and mislead to get a conviction, and it’s been proven many times over.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:02 pm to Purplehaze
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As to the thought that they should be executed the way they killed their victim, read the bill of rights.
I would argue that is not a cruel and unusual punishment. It is really fair and just to go out the same way your victim did. I'm cool with the no excessive bail or fines though
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:03 pm to BamaCoaster
How many do you think there are really are????? Very very few….. but I’ll spin this on you. What about the ones that are pretty much open and shut and yet the get to get 15-20 years of appeals.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:04 pm to grizzlylongcut
Then you should cast the first stone. If you are righteous enough to call for criminals to die quickly without the opportunity to repent. While I'm no criminal, I'm definitely not without sin. Therefore, I will not be casting those stone with you
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:06 pm to NFLSU
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The U.S. prefers to waste money out of compassion on people that will never contribute to society again.
That's not why. They keep them alive because it's profitable.
Money for housing
Money for food
Money for utilities
Money for security
Money for administration
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:07 pm to Purplehaze
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If you feel that the death penalty is a wonderful deterrent hen why is the murder rate going up? The truth is the death penalty does not work and it costs a lot more in legal costs due to all of the appeals.
Who is getting executed? It usually takes 30 years or more, which is ridiculous. Look back at violent crimes that happened in the 30s and 40s and they were usually executed within 2 years of committing the crime.
A guy that I went to high school with murdered his girlfriend by setting her on fire inside her car. It wasn't one of these cases where a conviction came on flimsy, circumstantial evidence. There was no doubt that he did it and it still took the state of TN 35+ years to carry out his sentence.
He committed the crime in the late 80s and was finally executed 2 or 3 years ago.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:11 pm to kywildcatfanone
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And appeals shouldn't last 30 or more years.
It gets screwed up too often to not have a complete appeals process. This is the reason I am against the death penalty.
I apply Blackstone' Ratio to the death penalty.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:12 pm to grizzlylongcut
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I don't believe in the sentence of life without parole.
Why do you trust the government enough to allow it to kill its own citizens?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:14 pm to grizzlylongcut
The death penalty triggers an immediate appeal and they usually get dragged out in the court system, wasting millions in tax payer dollars.
Not to mention, it is far worse for the state to kill a wrongly convicted person which probably has happened more times than we think.
It's probably much cheaper to feed them 3 squares and put them in solitary.
Not to mention, it is far worse for the state to kill a wrongly convicted person which probably has happened more times than we think.
It's probably much cheaper to feed them 3 squares and put them in solitary.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:15 pm to Indefatigable
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Why do you trust the government enough to allow it to kill its own citizens?
What about all of the violent crimes captured by security cameras? Can we at least expedite the executions where there is no doubt of guilt?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:16 pm to dukke v
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Their victim doesn’t get a chance to see their family anymore and said family goes through a huge amount of grief that may never go away.
You do know murder isn't the only life offense out there, right? In the fed system you can get executed for 60k marijuana plants
death, for too many plants.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:19 pm to grizzlylongcut
15 years doing back breaking work then execution is more my style
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:19 pm to grizzlylongcut
If someone commits 1st degree murder and there is 100% without a doubt they did it they should be executed within a month after found guilty.
With that said, someone like a serial killer.. There will be people who will want to study them and they should be studied.
And if a jury convicts someone, does that mean someone is 100% guilty?
I wouldn't want it to be easy to set someone up for murder, they get charged then then they are given the needle. Two years later something surfaces and it is realized the wrong person was convicted..
With that said, someone like a serial killer.. There will be people who will want to study them and they should be studied.
And if a jury convicts someone, does that mean someone is 100% guilty?
I wouldn't want it to be easy to set someone up for murder, they get charged then then they are given the needle. Two years later something surfaces and it is realized the wrong person was convicted..
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