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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:10 am to VeniVidiVici
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:10 am to VeniVidiVici
So he was familiar with BR. Why did he napalm it and salt the earth right after he moved?
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Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:12 am to Jones
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They want BR Wakanda and that means their area all to themselves
What they’ll get is BR Mogadishu.
Wakanda doesn’t exist except in fantasy for a reason
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:12 am to Hangit
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So he was familiar with BR. Why did he napalm it and salt the earth right after he moved?
That was my point!
He knew the repercussions.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:13 am to VeniVidiVici
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Per Wikipedia:
Born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Parker received a Bachelor of Arts degree from Louisiana State University in 1949 and a Juris Doctor from the Paul M. Hebert Law Center at Louisiana State University in 1952. He was in the United States Army from 1952 to 1954, remaining in the United States Army Reserve until 1964. He was in private practice in Baton Rouge from 1954 to 1979, also serving as an assistant parish attorney of the City of Baton Rouge in the Parish of East Baton Rouge, from 1956 to 1966.[1]
On May 24, 1979, Parker was nominated by President Jimmy Carter to a new seat on the United States District Court for the Middle District of Louisiana created by 92 Stat. 1629. He was confirmed by the United States Senate on September 25, 1979, and received his commission on September 26, 1979.[1] He served as Chief Judge from 1979 to 1998, assuming senior status on October 31, 1998, serving until his death on July 14, 2014, at his home in Baton Rouge.[2][3]
I don't think you need a link. That's his whole page
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:14 am to Areddishfish
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I don't think you need a link
You know the OT
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:19 am to Hangit
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He lived in the Alexandria area. He had no idea what he was doing about, or to, Baton Rouge.
Yep. That explains alot. Cenla has a much smaller population. A strong percentage of which are rural. Many of school districts in those areas were going to stay mostly white REGARDLESS because they are in small towns that have little interaction with Alexandria.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:21 am to Slippy
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What happens when conditions on the other side deteriorate to such an extent... higher crime, more drug abuse, shittier schools.... that it becomes a no-mans land and starts to bleed out into other communities? You St. George folks just gonna build a wall and hire more police to keep the riff raff out?
They will become like San Fran Cisco and Los Angeles
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:22 am to fallguy_1978
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I don't think it works that way in Louisiana. I believe the people have to vote or petition to be annexed.
That is correct. The land owners must approach the city, not the other way around.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:33 am to LSUFanHouston
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The fact that the city-parish is claiming this will cause a deficit, tells me that the area hasn't been getting their fair share of government services
Now I have a problem with this statement. If you have a rich part of town and a poor part of town are you saying that only the rich people should have their roads paved nicely? Do you just let blight rot in the poor area because they don't contribute as much? What is the end game here? People complain about not getting their fair share but when I drive through the proposed St George area I see nicely paved roads. I don't understand what exactly it is that St George isn't getting.
BTW, I completely understand why it is happening and I blame the administration. Just gotta play devil's advocate.
This post was edited on 6/19/19 at 10:38 am
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:39 am to Alt26
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Well, you're dealing with many of the same people who were mad Exxon wasn't paying "enough" taxes, so they incentive Exxon to take steps to eventually pay no taxes by leaving the city.
Ten percent of something is better than 100% of nothing.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:43 am to fallguy_1978
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I don't think it works that way in Louisiana. I believe the people have to vote or petition to be annexed.
True and yet Kip Holden's office approached the hospitals and Mall of Louisiana, and the Casino to annex while skirting the residential areas. Could they not have done this at the same time?
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:44 am to Slippy
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I don't like the St. George idea, but I don't live in BR and don't have a vote. I'm conservative. But I spend a lot of time thinking about what the world will look like 10, 20, 50 years down the line.
The St. Georgers appear to be saying, We're gonna draw a line and keep what's ours, and leave all "the others" to their own devices.
What happens when conditions on the other side deteriorate to such an extent... higher crime, more drug abuse, shittier schools.... that it becomes a no-mans land and starts to bleed out into other communities? You St. George folks just gonna build a wall and hire more police to keep the riff raff out?
What makes you immune to this responsibility you struggle to apply to others? Why isn't it you who should solve the problems of those who can't successfully govern themselves.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:46 am to tommy2tone1999
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True and yet Kip Holden's office approached the hospitals and Mall of Louisiana, and the Casino to annex while skirting the residential areas. Could they not have done this at the same time?
Maybe he didn't think they had the support of the residents in those areas?
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:50 am to Slippy
If you do not live in the unincorporated area that is in the proposed ST George area you have no voice.
The problem is we have one government that represents the City of BR and the parish. If BR has financial issues if St George becomes a city it finally proves what people
been saying. Unincorporated dollars are going to City of BR services which unincorporated areas do not receive these services.
Is it fair that people that do not receive services have to pay for these services?
The problem is we have one government that represents the City of BR and the parish. If BR has financial issues if St George becomes a city it finally proves what people
been saying. Unincorporated dollars are going to City of BR services which unincorporated areas do not receive these services.
Is it fair that people that do not receive services have to pay for these services?
This post was edited on 6/19/19 at 10:53 am
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:51 am to fallguy_1978
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Maybe he didn't think they had the support of the residents in those areas?
Simply, he did not want to provide services to those areas (but loved the revenue they generated from property taxes)
Kip Holden Hates Annexation - NOLA.com
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Holden told the Business Report Marcelle didn’t understand how the constraints of the budget prevented the parish from properly incorporating those areas. Holden said annexation of those areas means the city would have to provide additional public services, like law enforcement and sewage.
“We have a top-rated fire district,” Holden said. “For us to provide free fire protection to Gardere would jeopardize that rating and would be cost prohibitive.”
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:52 am to johnnyrocket
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Unincorporated dollars are going to City of BR services which unincorporated area do not receive these services.
We all know this is happening
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:52 am to Giantkiller
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When it's all said and done, the race card is gonna get waved around and BR is going to turn into Jackson, Miss. Then all of the people with money will be in the surrounding parishes and Texas.
Exactly. Unless you can physically stop people from moving, you will end up losing all their tax dollars. St. George is the only thing that will save EBR in the end. If St. George loses, the people will just leave. Why? Because they can, unlike the inhabitants of NBR.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 11:10 am to Slippy
Here is an easier way to explain it. Say you live in Nashville. The government tells you they want to raise your taxes so that they can pour more money into NBR. You tell them that you don't live near NBR and that you never go there.
They tell you to STFU and pony up the money anyway. You ask if some of these taxes can be spent in your Nashville area. They get mad and call you a racist and demand more money. You need drainage to keep from flooding. You need a new school to handle the influx of children. You get neither.
Meanwhile, the tax money you are sending to NBR is used to fund useless studies, hire family to do a $10k job for $100k, etc. They set up a Council on Aging to steal money from the elderly.
Meanwhile, your house has flooded twice and your kids have a sub-standard school. You see a chance to opt out of the lunacy.
Whatcha gonna do, Brother?
They tell you to STFU and pony up the money anyway. You ask if some of these taxes can be spent in your Nashville area. They get mad and call you a racist and demand more money. You need drainage to keep from flooding. You need a new school to handle the influx of children. You get neither.
Meanwhile, the tax money you are sending to NBR is used to fund useless studies, hire family to do a $10k job for $100k, etc. They set up a Council on Aging to steal money from the elderly.
Meanwhile, your house has flooded twice and your kids have a sub-standard school. You see a chance to opt out of the lunacy.
Whatcha gonna do, Brother?
Posted on 6/19/19 at 11:12 am to Slippy
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What happens when conditions on the other side deteriorate to such an extent... higher crime, more drug abuse, shittier schools.... that it becomes a no-mans land and starts to bleed out into other communities? You St. George folks just gonna build a wall and hire more police to keep the riff raff out?
Oak Park in Chicago is actually very nice.
Just because it exists doesn't mean that the neighboring city can't get their shite together.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 11:16 am to Slippy
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