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Slippy
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I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
I don't like the St. George idea, but I don't live in BR and don't have a vote. I'm conservative. But I spend a lot of time thinking about what the world will look like 10, 20, 50 years down the line.

The St. Georgers appear to be saying, We're gonna draw a line and keep what's ours, and leave all "the others" to their own devices.

What happens when conditions on the other side deteriorate to such an extent... higher crime, more drug abuse, shittier schools.... that it becomes a no-mans land and starts to bleed out into other communities? You St. George folks just gonna build a wall and hire more police to keep the riff raff out?

Is segregation and isolation a good long term strategy for a community? I don't see where it leads anywhere good. Or maybe you don't care what happens to everyone else as long as you get yours.

Just a few peyote-induced thoughts from last night.


Rize
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
I’ll just move to Montana.


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fallguy_1978
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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but I don't live in BR and don't have a vote.

I live in BR and don't have a vote either. Because St George isn't in BR.


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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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I don't live in BR and don't have a vote


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What happens when conditions on the other side deteriorate to such an extent... higher crime, more drug abuse, shittier schools.... that it becomes a no-mans land and starts to bleed out into other communities?


Already happening....

And the leaders there have sucked all the funding dry, therefore they cannot "fix" it. Now they want more money for the same results.


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TH03
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
Yeah let's blame the people who actively want to improve their surroundings and not the lazy, entitled fricks who are fine with the shithole that is most of BR.


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titmouse
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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Is segregation and isolation a good long term strategy for a community?


Zachary and Central

Zachary and Central

Zachary and Central



TeddyPadillac
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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What happens when conditions on the other side deteriorate to such an extent... higher crime, more drug abuse, shittier schools.... that it becomes a no-mans land and starts to bleed out into other communities? You St. George folks just gonna build a wall and hire more police to keep the riff raff out?


that's literally how it currently is. Difference is we want to keep our money on our side now since it's doing no good on the other side.


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TDsngumbo
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
I agree with 100% of your unpopular post.


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OysterPoBoy
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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What happens when conditions on the other side deteriorate to such an extent... higher crime, more drug abuse, shittier schools....


That's a joke right?


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Chuker
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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deteriorate to such an extent... higher crime, more drug abuse, shittier schools.... that it becomes a no-mans land


You haven't been to North BR in a while have you?


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Jones
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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Is segregation and isolation a good long term strategy for a community? I don't see where it leads anywhere good. Or maybe you don't care what happens to everyone else as long as you get yours.


To be fair, the mayor, north br, and Gary chambers want to be segregated. Buy black, only support black businesses, and put all the money in north br. They want BR Wakanda and that means their area all to themselves


TheHarahanian
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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Is segregation and isolation a good long term strategy for a community? I don't see where it leads anywhere good. Or maybe you don't care what happens to everyone else as long as you get yours.


Are you willing to move yourself and your family to the middle of north Baton Rouge, and donate large amounts of cash to the city government there in an attempt to keep things afloat? Probably not, so where's the line you've drawn? At your family's safety? At double digit contributions of your earnings?

It's easy to judge others when you have no skin in the game.

If I want to soothe my conscience by helping the less fortunate, I sure as hell won't give money to any government to do that for me.
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G The Tiger Fan
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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Is segregation and isolation a good long term strategy for a community?
That's the main reason the current president was elected.


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Cump11b
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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St. George folks just gonna build a wall and hire more police to keep the riff raff out?


Probably. When I moved to Nashville, I kept my house in St. George. When this passes, the value is gonna go through the roof.

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I don't like the St. George idea


Oh but I do. BR schools are crap... there is an administration that takes all the tax money from the area and sends it to an area which refuses to improve, the roads are starting to deteriorate and the city won't fix them, I could go on and on. St. George is gonna happen.


el Gaucho
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
If st George passes millions of children of culture will starve due to the tax cuts

It’s literally worse than trumps tax cuts


el Gaucho
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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When I moved to Nashville

You think you gonna be the next rascal flats? Get a real job lol


LSUFanHouston
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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Or maybe you don't care what happens to everyone else as long as you get yours.


I don't live there either, but I have read a lot about it, because whether you think it's a good idea or not, it's an amazing real-world example of democracy in action. The ability to self-determine your own government is one of the most pure examples of democracy we have, and it's rare to see these days.

I think St. George has borne from the idea that currently, the exact opposite of what you describe is happening. Not only are these people not "getting theirs" currently, they are getting less than what they are entitled to.

The fact that the city-parish is claiming this will cause a deficit, tells me that the area hasn't been getting their fair share of government services. We haven't seen projections on the schools yet, but I'd imagine it will look the same.

I don't think this is segregation and isolation. It's not like people won't be able to travel freely. It's just for the people of the area, they will have an extra layer of government, and they will have a different person provide certain services.

Rather than having St. George incorporate, I think it would have been better, for these residents, to have the city-parish de-merge. But that doesn't appear to be happening, so I have no problem with the residents of the area taking this step.


Jack Bauers HnK
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
The problems with north Baton Rouge are not going to be fixed with more money. No effort by the residents of st George will fix those problems. The best they can do for their own is to form their own city and handle their own business and stop letting their tax dollars continue to be wasted.


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RogerTheShrubber
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
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The St. Georgers appear to be saying, We're gonna draw a line and keep what's ours, and leave all "the others" to their own devices.


Why is this a problem?

Why wouldn't anyone want to put their family in a community of people who align with similar values and carry their own weight?



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Modern
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Member since May 2011
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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.
If EBR would have granted the school district for the incorporated area, the whole St George city wouldn’t have happened.

St G folks to EBR - “We want our own school district.”

EBR folks - “ LoL, no. The only way you can do that, is if you were your own city.

St G folks - “Ok, Hold my beer.”


And here we are now.



I don’t live in the proposed St G area, but I hope this passes. It’s the wake up call EBR needs.


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