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goofball
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How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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How years of storm water pond construction are catching up on some Baton Rouge-area parishes

Jessie Hayes stuck a long, thin twig into the shallow pond behind his house.

The stick quickly hit bottom and then slid down farther into the muck — easily about 8 inches deep.

Hayes was demonstrating Friday how much the narrow stormwater detention pond behind his house in the Galvez area of Ascension Parish had filled in with sediment since it was built more than a decade ago.

For more than three years, Hayes, 48, has been on a fruitless quest to have parish government, fellow Norwood Lake homeowners, a nearby subdivision's developer and even a next-door landowner to deepen the pond beyond its range of 6 inches to a foot down.

"The only people that care about the pond are the people who back up to it," said Hayes, former president of his neighborhood's now-idled homeowner's association.

Hayes believes the pond can drain less, and that its mucky bottom endangers anyone who might fall into it.

His fight reflects an emerging problem with such ponds, which have proliferated since the 1990s as new development sprawls into ever lower reaches of the Amite River Basin.

The ponds are often cited as justification that a new development won't flood neighbors, but maintaining them in Ascension, East Baton Rouge and Livingston is left to homeowners — unlike other forms of shared infrastructure, such as pipes, canals, pumps or levees.

In recent years, neighborhoods like Mossy Oaks, Willow Lake and the Shadows at Manchac in Ascension and Acadiana Place in Livingston have grappled with maintenance, design-and-construction and other pond problems that, in some cases, prompted litigation.

While some issues revolve around plant growth or caved-in banks, the big-dollar concern is dredging out the kind of siltation Hayes sees in his neighborhood pond. Dredging can cost from $80,000 to $120,000, depending on a lake's size.

East Baton Rouge Councilwoman Chauna Banks said ponds are also becoming a way to skirt responsibility over future flooding.

"It is now a loophole for the developers to just go on and be able to be approved," she said, "and it basically leaves them with no liability regarding long-term maintenance."

'Right now, nothing is in place'

While subdivision plans are recorded at the courthouse, Ascension, East Baton Rouge and Livingston parishes don't comprehensively track the number or location of ponds. Local governments keep pond pipes clear, but have few other responsibilities. Generally, they only respond to a pond problem if someone complains.

Yet, with new development come more ponds. One at a time, they are expanding into a large, privatized part of the regional flood protection network, with uncertain funding and a bill that may come due one day.

While some homeowner associations have figured out how to pay for ponds, others have struggled to maintain them. Many neighborhoods don't have an association.

Banks and a few other local officials have begun to question this paradigm of private management and loose oversight. In Livingston Parish, officials say they are examining whether drainage districts should take over maintenance completely.


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Not sure why zoning would encourage an actual wet pond over a dry area that can retain water in a storm. The dry ones are far easier to maintain long term.

They look okay when they are new, but they often get neglected and end up looking like shite after about 10-15 years.






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How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area


About tree fiddy.


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SixthAndBarone
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My neighborhood retention pond had to be dug out. The HOA charged us all an extra $80. If the parish requires the developer to put in a retention pond, the responsibility and cost is on the neighborhood.


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The stick quickly hit bottom and then slid down farther into the muck — easily about 8 inches deep.




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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
Jessie Hayes stuck a long, thin twig into the shallow pond behind his house. The stick quickly hit bottom and then slid down farther into the muck — easily about 8 inches deep.



ETA: dammit OFB…
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Hayes believes the pond can drain less, and that its mucky bottom endangers anyone who might fall into it.



This is an absolute fact.

A kid drowned in our neighborhood's retention pond when he jumped in on a hot summer day. He got stuck in the mud and never surfaced



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wet pond over a dry area that can retain water in a storm


Exactly. I’m not sure why the story is about the depth of a wet pond. If it always holds water, it doesn’t matter if it’s 100’ deep or 1”, it won’t help the runoff situation in a storm except for what’s left above the water line. Pond depth below the typical water line has no impact on storage capacity. They just want a nice place to fish on someone else’s dime.

ETA if the outfalls are clogged with mud then that’s a different story.
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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A kid drowned in our neighborhood's retention pond when he jumped in on a hot summer day. He got stuck in the mud and never surfaced


Was his name, "Jason"?


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Storm water ponds are the biggest farce ever hoisted upon SLA. They want them to be recreation areas so they design them to be 7/8ths full all the time. It's been the easiest way for developers to get around the rules and it's caused them to continue to do billions in damages.


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Hayes was demonstrating Friday how much the narrow stormwater detention pond behind his house in the Galvez area of Ascension Parish had filled in with sediment since it was built more than a decade ago.

no shite really?
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storm water pond constructions isnt causing these issues.... storm water pond maintenance, or lack thereof is causing this issue.


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nicholastiger
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And they still refuse to put in bulkheads leaving that to the owners that buy the lake lots


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Ricardo
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I always just thought they were digout lakes to raise/level the elevation of the subdivision or for interstate ramps.


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It's been the easiest way for developers to get around the rules


And they dig them in the first place to use the dirt to build up the houses also. This is also why there is nothing but clay in your yard too. It's a win win for the developers. They dig big holes, build up the land with the shitty clay, feign drainage and rec areas and call it a day. Meanwhile, no one really knows what will happen when a big rain comes for the new and old houses.


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Was his name, "Jason"?



I honestly can't remember. It was a long time ago. In fact the only thing that sticks out after all those years is that the tragedy occured on a Friday the 13th of all things...
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I’ve never understood the theory that a full pond will hold storm runoff.


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storm water pond constructions isnt causing these issues.... storm water pond maintenance, or lack thereof is causing this issue.


Bingo.

Also, the actual construction, as in when they build them, is another concern. A lot of times they get silted in before construction of the neighborhood is even complete because of non-existent SWPPP enforcement.


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I’ve never understood the theory that a full pond will hold storm runoff.


Detention capacity is measured in the freeboard portion of the pond. There will typically be an outflow structure designed for a certain overflow height, and that height is the storage capacity.


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Engineers and Contractors will be here shortly to tell us the retention pond scheme is perfect.

These things are either not properly built, reviewed prior to turning over to HOA or maintained by HOA. A good example is right off the bat there is never any prevention measures to control silting while the pond edges grow grass or while all the houses are built. Another good example is looking at HOA records, are they ever even discussing maintaining them. There appear to be zero rules around these ponds except an engineer at some point said this or that.

The entire thing is a shame. It is all about money and the homeowners are left with the problems. They have no construction, engineering or legal experience so how can they ever challenge these things.
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I honestly can't remember. It was a long time ago. In fact the only thing that sticks out after all thos years is that the tragedy occured on a Friday the 13th of all things...



Crystal Lake subdivision was never the same


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no one really knows what will happen when a big rain comes for the new and old houses.

The biggest problem is the old houses. The people who were high and dry 20 years ago are now getting drowned by these new developments that are 20 ft higher than them.


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