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jimbeam
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
You gonna share with the class? If you’re so sure, why are you holding back info that can save private and public property in our state?


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BottomlandBrew
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
Plan reviewers see an engineer's stamp and see that pre and post discharge are the same, boom! Rubber stamp that shite. I was always amazed at what I saw approved.


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lsu13lsu
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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Because I am not part of an HOA and don’t know, can this not be changed? Can a 50 home subdivision HOA not say “hey we need $10,000 this year we’re proposing assessing a $200 yearly fee”?



It is a dishonest way for Developers to do business. They know these expenses exists. They know they should be reserving. They know what Dues should be.

They also know if they put Dues where they should then homes won't sell. So, RamRod is proposing people buy a home thinking the Dues are $X then finding out a little later the budget was whack and the Developer knew the ponds would need maintenance but it would hurt their Sales to be upfront about it.

But, the developer is long gone. They probably have set up a completely different LLC anyway to do the next Development. it is the stupid homeowners fault when they bought the house they should have known about pond maintenance and been able to tell the Dues were too low to cover.


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CitizenK
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
Ponds were all the rage, for decades, in keeping silt out of streams and rivers and why many ponds were built in rural areas even when not needed for livestock.


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Duke
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
About time to jump in and say there's a really interesting discussion going on. Sometimes you baws arent just idiots.


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LSUFanHouston
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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Storm water ponds are the biggest farce ever hoisted upon SLA. They want them to be recreation areas so they design them to be 7/8ths full all the time. It's been the easiest way for developers to get around the rules and it's caused them to continue to do billions in damages.


I understand the concept of having a pond serve both recreation and flood prevention. But they are way to full at normal times.

Go look at the ones in Cinco Ranch or in Bridgeland in Texas. The normal water line is 15 feet or so below ground level. There's plenty of storage capacity, yet you can still have a nice fountain to look at, etc.


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LSUFanHouston
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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Unless the silt/muck goes above the water surface, the storage capacity of the pond is unchanged.


Wouldn't silting in reduce the TOTAL capacity of the pond, and if the normal water capacity is unchanged, wouldn't the freeboard capacity be reduced?

Isn't that the concept behind dredging?

EDIT: If I have 100K gallons of water in a pond, and silting occurs in the bottom foot of the pond... doesn't the water level go up, assuming it's still 100K gallons of water? And if the water level goes up, doesn't freeboard get reduced?
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jimbeam
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
If the pond always has some amount of water due to groundwater levels, influence from a River etc, dredging won’t help. Going deeper only helps if it is naturally (or artificially via pump) dry.


LSUFanHouston
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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But, Developers are turning this over to stay at home moms with no engineering or maintenance experience. it isn't in the Developers reserves or accounting or budgets. What do these developers think will happen? They know what will happen so they don't have HOA dues at the right level or these expenses in the budget with a Special Assessment lined up to happen every five years because it will hurt their sales


People complain about the HOAs in Houston area and some of them do go waaay overboard with stupid rules... but the larger ones are all professionally managed and the board is basically just a board to vote on things. The day to day is run by professionals... including professionals who understand about maintenance requirements and funding for it.

My inlaws live in a "HOA" that is for a subdivision of about 50 homes, in the BR area, that has one of these ponds. Their HOA dues are like $75 a year... and they have absolutely no enforcement ability because no one is going to hire an attorney to go after someone for $75 or whatever. And there is no management... the HOA board is just whomever.

Really, is there a difference between these "HOA" boards... and the Condo board for that condo in Miami that collapsed?

When you have common stuff like this... you need professionals involved. There is a cost to that.


LSUFanHouston
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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If the pond always has some amount of water due to groundwater levels, influence from a River etc, dredging won’t help. Going deeper only helps if it is naturally (or artificially via pump) dry.


Is the problem, then, that the groundwater levels in the BR area are too high for wet ponds to be a good flood prevention device?


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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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heir HOA dues are like $75 a year... and they have absolutely no enforcement ability because no one is going to hire an attorney to go after someone for $75 or whatever. And there is no management... the HOA board is just whomever.
then why have HOA if they cant enforce stuff. Any HOA i have been a part of has the ability to put a lean on your house, attorneys on retainer, and a multi year plan on maintenance items.


Ricardo
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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haha keep playing victims. When buying your home, are you accounting for you needing to replace the AC 5-15 years in? if you say yes, you are lying.


Of course I do. I'm looking at buying a house. One of the first things I do is look at the roof and HVAC. Then, I look at the windows, weather stripping, doors, etc. There's a word for people that only notice things like the paint and carpet - women.


CarRamrod
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
with the dredging i was referring to was to specifically help the health of the pond eco system, not its ability to withhold water. It went from being a lake with 6-10 foot areas to being a consistent 2-3' deep with a 3-5' suspended organic layer you would sink into, with very little fish.


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LSUFanHouston
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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then why have HOA if they cant enforce stuff. Any HOA i have been a part of has the ability to put a lean on your house, attorneys on retainer, and a multi year plan on maintenance items.


Because they are HOAs in name only. Because people in LA have a weird aversion to an HOA telling them what they can do with property.

So the developer comes in and builds this pond because they are told by the parish they have to have a storm water prevention plan and this is the way they use to make it work. When the developer is finished with the subdivision, some entity needs to own the pond. So... create an HOA in the beginning, when the developer controls it. Have the HOA take ownership of the pond. Then the developer leaves, and the HOA is stuck with the lake.

The HOA was never created to be an owner of amenities or an enforcer of covenants. It's a huge joke and a big problem as referenced on this thread.


CarRamrod
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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Of course I do. I'm looking at buying a house. One of the first things I do is look at the roof and HVAC. Then, I look at the windows, weather stripping, doors, etc. There's a word for people that only notice things like the paint and carpet - women.

but you are still going to pay around comped $/sf. is it a plus to find that house with a new roof and ac yes but you arent going to save 20-30 grand because the comp house doesn't have that.

BTW, i lucked out and my new house had a new roof, new ac, and new water heaters when i moved in.


CarRamrod
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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So the developer comes in and builds this pond because they are told by the parish
i dont think you how how codes work.

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When the developer is finished with the subdivision, some entity needs to own the pond. So... create an HOA in the beginning, when the developer controls it. Have the HOA take ownership of the pond. Then the developer leaves, and the HOA is stuck with the lake.

The HOA was never created to be an owner of amenities or an enforcer of covenants. It's a huge joke and a big problem as referenced on this thread.
like i said, i dont think you know as much as you think you know, the 2 HOA i have been in, in BR, are all set up with the ability to manage and run all of these aspects..... Do they actually do it and run efficiently, no.... but they have the ability to do it. they were not just HOAINO.




is your neighborhood an HOA in houston?
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LSUFanHouston
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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i dont think you how how codes work.


OK.

Why are these ponds being built?


Ricardo
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
Well, what makes more sense; to buy a house with a unit/roof on its last legs or one fully renovated with new roof/ac? Of course it makes more sense to shop around and get the well-maintained home. That's what you should do, and what you were suggesting people don't do.



CarRamrod
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
not because the parish told the contractor to do it.

explaining this to you would be a multi hour lecture.


CarRamrod
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re: How years of storm water pond construction are causing issues in Baton Rouge metro area
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what you were suggesting people don't do.

i was suggesting MOST people do not.... MOST people dont think of whats happening tomorrow, they want it today.


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