re: How will young people ever get ahead?

Heard the same argument in the 70s.


Well, our fathers fought the Second World War
Spent their weekends on the Jersey Shore
Met our mothers in the USO
Asked them to dance, danced with them slow

And we're living here in Allentown
But the restlessness was handed down
And it's getting very hard to stay
Well, we're waiting here in Allentown
For the Pennsylvania we never found
For the promises our teachers gave
If we worked hard, if we behaved

So the graduations hang on the wall
But they never really helped us at all
No, they never taught us what was real
Iron and coke, chromium steel
And we're waiting here in Allentown
But they've taken all the coal from the ground
And the union people crawled away

Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got
But something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face
Whoa-oh-oh

Well, I'm living here in Allentown
And it's hard to keep a good man down
But I won't be getting up today

"Allentown" Billy Joel

The arguments never change. They just get pushed to the next generation.

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The second thing is no one is paying 50% of their income in taxes of any form....all combined, state, federal, payroll, property and sells taxes come to about 30% of income over a lifetime. That is too much for certain but it is far better than 50%....

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Here's the thing. You leftists could easily pay more. You advocate for more spending, more taxes, but still do not pay your marginal rate. You could, you know?

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It absolutely is political but neither side is without guilt..



We're discussing ideology, not party.

Continued government spending will cause more inflation which makes young people's lives even more difficult.

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The post of mine that you responded to was in response to another post stating it was all the fault of "conservatives"....which is typically considered one of two parties. But you are 100% correct in that continued spending and continued tax cuts aimed at stimulating the economy when the economy is already flaming hot is, was and always will be a bad idea.

There is a time and place for both...sensible tax cuts to stimulate the economy in general or even segments of the economy are legitimate. The same is true of public spending. The problem is that we have done both to an excessive degree and eliminated sensibility from the equation. We built a fire in the early 80's with tax cuts and when the effects slowed we spent like drunken sailors to continue the good times...and we have done it time and time again since, regardless of who was in control politically.

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Every time a boomer croaks this country gets a little better. They have caused something equivalent to the fall of Rome

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blaming other generations for your personal failures comes off as whiney and pathetic.

At what point can we blame the white womens for voting for this shite?

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Don’t marry someone you will divorce

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Not only that, you got to find someone that won’t divorce you

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Salaries have not risen nearly at the same rate as inflation. Not even remotely close. The math has been done multiple times in this thread.

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Not sure about that. I think what is ignored is that the level of salary does not stay the same over long periods of time. You have to think people will get raises and promotions. For a very long period of time, inflation was extremely low or flat as well. Starting salaries in my field were around $20,000 in the late 80s and are around $65,000 now. Using a CPI inflation factor, $20,000 in 1987 is equivalent to around $55,000 today. That is just one example, but indicates that salaries may be "remotely close" to the rise in inflation over those years.

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If there was a time to keep the family unit together, this it. It’s better for everyone to stay together and keep the kids at home as long as possible.

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I'm looking into building a compound.

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Man, nobody wants your common sense. They want excuses about how different everything is now and how difficult it is to get ahead...like every generation has complained. But, it's different this time, promise.

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I can't decide if posters like you are ignoring the data or simply can't read/comprehend the data.

It's pretty irrefutable that wages have been outpaced by the price of nearly everything. Not sure why it upsets yall so much to point that out. It's understandable if people whining annoys you, but don't pretend their premise for doing so is completely false. Makes you look dumb.