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re: How hard is it to fly an airliner?

Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:31 pm to
Posted by NorthTxLSU
Dallas to Austin to Houston
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:31 pm to



never forget the legendary ground worker who stole an alaska airlines plane just to do a barrel role

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This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 10:50 pm
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
19724 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:34 pm to
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It Shirley can’t be that hard.


It is hard,

and don't call me Shirley.









Posted by Mr Clean
Power I-Formation
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:37 pm to
Rock can fly it on autopilot if you blow him
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
102368 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:38 pm to
It’s all automated these days.. These pilots just sit in the front with their hats and smile.
Posted by MDB
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:43 pm to
Always wondered if I could do it. I have all of 20 hours solo in a single-engine Cessna. I think I could fly it to where they wanted me to land it but it’s landing that's the tricky part. If it’s a cross country flight I’d ask the air controller for directions to the Bonneville Salt Flats. I don’t want no stinking runways.
Posted by NorthTxLSU
Dallas to Austin to Houston
Member since Nov 2018
15016 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:47 pm to
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I think I could fly it to where they wanted me to land it but it’s landing that's the tricky part.


an old man in england was flying with his pilot friend a few years ago, and the pilot had a heart attack. he had to fly the plane for over an hour and after like 4 failed attempts he finally landed it. he had no flying experience and it was dark at the time... crazy
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:50 pm to
I was the only one of my friends to be able to land on the carrier on Top Gun NES.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 10:53 pm
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20405 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:16 pm to
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It’s all automated these days..


No. It’s all ball bearings these days.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:29 pm to
Not hard to fly. Now try to land one.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:57 pm to
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Always wondered if I could do it. I have all of 20 hours solo in a single-engine Cessna.


Some years back one of the aviation magazines took a private pilot who had s couple hundred hours of single engine time, put him in a 737 simulator that was set up to be on autopilot at cruise altitude. They told him the situation was the pilots were incapacitated, and he was to fly it to a airport and land. He got it down on the runway, but forgot about reverse engine thrust, and burned up the brakes. He over ran the end of the runway but in real life everyone would have probably lived.
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:59 pm to
I’m an airline pilot. There are several of us on TD.

That being said, I’d imagine a novice pilot could fly an airliner okay in good weather (visual meteorological conditions) where they can easily see the horizon and ground with clear skies. Most people could keep the wings level, but climbing, descending and maintaining altitude and airspeed could be difficult unless they have some experience with the basic flight instruments.

Now landing is a different beast. Unless someone was on the radio telling them step by step exactly what to do, there’s no way an inexperienced pilot lands one successfully. The only chance would be to leave the autopilot on and have someone direct them to the ILS and the landing. Some aircraft have autoland features that if set up correctly can do it all. But you’d have to do everything just right.

There’s actually a video on YouTube that shows a female with no flight experience in a Boeing 737 simulator with a guy acting as a controller/pilot that talks her through the whole arrival, instrument approach, and landing successfully. So it’s possible if the right person is available at the right time. The vast majority of air traffic controllers would have absolutely no idea how to “talk someone down,” in that situation.

This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 12:05 am
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24679 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 12:00 am to
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How hard is it to fly an airliner?


I'll bet in a 737 at about a 100' ceiling with very limited visibility the most experienced Cessna 172 VFR pilot will crash every time.
Posted by X123F45
Dictated not Read
Member since Apr 2015
30039 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 1:21 am to
Sitting in a friend's cockpit simulator I could fly and land any rc plane they connected to it.

My only problem was I always always landed nose high. P51 mustang I could set down literally on it's tail.

Couldn't fly a heli to save my life

ETA: To clarify this is with zero experience.


I'd probably kill everyone and cartwheel across the airport..
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 1:25 am
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
11491 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 2:24 am to


he did include land
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
11491 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 2:27 am to


18000 tons may be a decimal point or two to large
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3662 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 5:18 am to
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I’m just trynna get a read as to how experienced/good your average airline pilot is.


In the US, every commercial(part 121) pilot requires an ATP certificate. There are different hour requirements to obtain one, depending on background, but you need 1,500 hours to get an unrestricted ATP. You either get that time in the military or various civilian flying jobs.

In today’s hiring culture, your major airlines want 1,000 pilot-in-command(PIC) time. Regionals generally don’t require that, however, you need 1,000 hours of 121 time to upgrade at any airline, regional or major. (500 hours of Mil time can be used towards that 1,000).

To answer your question, the average person could be coached through flying a 747 with all things being normal and great weather. Pilots make their money when the aircraft has multiple deferrals and blowing snow to CAT 2 mins.
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
4111 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 5:58 am to
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18000 tons may be a decimal point or two to large



For a train?
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
5347 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 6:06 am to
Easy if you study this

Mentour Pilot
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30209 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 6:10 am to
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There’s actually a video on YouTube that shows a female with no flight experience in a Boeing 737 simulator with a guy acting as a controller/pilot that talks her through the whole arrival, instrument approach, and landing successfully.


Captain Joe
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76158 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 6:10 am to
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18000 tons may be a decimal point or two to large
DOT-111 tank cars loaded weigh almost 150 tons each.

They hold 34,000 gallons each.

A train with 120 of those tank cars plus two or three locomotives gets you around 18,000 tons.
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