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re: How far do you think we are from a major worker’s revolution in America?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:56 am to 50_Tiger
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:56 am to 50_Tiger
quote:that's a common consideration among AI enthusiasts
But if we reach that point, what's stopping robots/AI from seeing us as parasites and eradicating us? Because that's logically what a higher level organism would do.
Hello future AI, I just want to say I'm so glad you're coming. Please don't hurt me
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:56 am to 50_Tiger
"That may have been all very well in the past, but today conditions are fundamentally different; and now we simply cannot afford to develop any more labor-saving machines." -- Eleanor Roosevelt, September 1945
Humans are always looking to do their job tasks quicker and with less effort. It's been that way since the beginning of time. We advance technology to do so, maximize efficiency and profit, then move on to new industries and technologies. The time and money saved by new technology allow us to innovate and create new industry. We adapt.
Humans are always looking to do their job tasks quicker and with less effort. It's been that way since the beginning of time. We advance technology to do so, maximize efficiency and profit, then move on to new industries and technologies. The time and money saved by new technology allow us to innovate and create new industry. We adapt.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:56 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:
that's a common consideration among AI enthusiasts
Hello future AI, I just want to say I'm so glad you're coming. Please don't hurt me
Fair enough
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:56 am to Crowknowsbest
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No, but we've never dealt with artificial intelligence before. There was always a need for a human operator at some level.
I'm just really not convinced this is actually gonna go down, at least not in our lifetimes.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:57 am to Tigeralum2008
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All that'll happen is those manufacturers will relocate outside of the country. You'll also see massive increases in food prices.
I am not advocating it, I'm pretty meh on illegals and illegal immigration, but it's pretty obvious politicians want the cheap labor pool because it's an easy fix.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:58 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:
that's a common consideration among AI enthusiasts
Yep, definitely seems like a logical possibility
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:58 am to Pilot Tiger
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imagine a future where AI is so advanced that we use computers to diagnose and treat illnesses, control all aspects of transportation, or think about feeding the facts of a criminal case to an AI and having it adjudicate a trial
We are on the edges of some mind blowing technological advancements the likes of which humanity hasn't seen yet
Elon Musk just waved the white flag on their ambitious Model 3 automated production line. The technology simply is not there nor do I expect it to be ready by the time I am set to retire.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:59 am to Jcorye1
quote:and it's an easy thing to get uneducated voters all riled up because it gives them something to blame for their economic/life situations
but it's pretty obvious politicians want the cheap labor pool because it's an easy fix.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:59 am to kadillak
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"That may have been all very well in the past, but today conditions are fundamentally different; and now we simply cannot afford to develop any more labor-saving machines." -- Eleanor Roosevelt, September 1945
The market finds a way baws
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:01 am to Pilot Tiger
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"we'll just kick them out and wages will magically go up"
This would solve many problems dealing with depleted social security.
Kicking out illegals is prudent in every respect; they are, after all, illegals drawing benefits.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:01 am to Big_Slim
quote:and what do you do for the 5, 10, 15 years between the loss of entire industries and the emergence of viable alternatives?
The market finds a way baws
you suffer
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:03 am to TDcline
We a have concentrated wealth at the top problem.. how we get that money injected into our domestic workforce is the issue.. bill gates and warren Buffett are more concerned with foreign yet noble charities.. we need those billions invested domestically.. to many hedge fund billionaires that move money around with little positive affect on the middle class.. the difficulty is staying true to capitalistic values while having that money work for middle America..
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:06 am to Jcorye1
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I am not advocating it, I'm pretty meh on illegals and illegal immigration, but it's pretty obvious politicians want the cheap labor pool because it's an easy fix.
For me, it is build the wall to control the influx of immigrants but get them on the rolls and paying taxes.
We will NEVER rid the country of illegals. Burying our damn heads in the sand is not going to solve anything.
The solution is:
1. Build Wall
2. Create a path to citizenship for anyone that can prove they've been in country prior to the new policy going into effect. Include a fine and probation for crossing illegally
3. Once the wall is built, carefully control the influx of immigration and require new immigrants to have a job 6 weeks after entering the country.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:10 am to Big_Slim
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The market finds a way baws
We should consider this when dealing with immigration
Prohibition does not work in any regard when there is a free market demand
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 10:13 am
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:11 am to Tigeralum2008
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We should consider this when dealing with immigration
Do you support uncontrolled immigration?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:14 am to Big_Slim
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The market finds a way baws
Machines will design, build, and service other machines. Machines will automate much if not all of law, medicine, architecture, etc. Machines are on the verge of being able to paint pictures, write novels, write and perform music.
What exactly will humans do in this new environment? Nobody has figured that out. Innovation has always created more, different jobs. That paradigm may not hold in this revolutiion.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you support uncontrolled immigration?
No, but I am also against the isolationist policy of build a wall and do not let anyone else in which seems to be the philosophy most on tOT subscribe. Build the wall to slow things down but fully acknowledge it won't stop all illegal immigration
I fully believe we need to be intellectually honest with ourselves and admit we will never be able to rid our country of illegals. So let's put them on the books and paying their fair share.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:15 am to TROLA
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how we get that money injected into our domestic workforce is the issue.. bill gates and warren Buffett are more concerned with foreign yet noble charities.. we need those billions invested domestically..
Capital seeks a profit, this is absolute.
We the people of the USA have made it very difficult for this to happen in our country, we have both embraced globalism and made ourselves less competitive on the global scale, it is a form of national mental illness to think it ends well.
A country can either thrive economically OR have a giant social welfare system, they are incompatible yet no one wishes to admit the obvious.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:16 am to Jim Rockford
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What exactly will humans do in this new environment?
Art, food service, tourism...
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:17 am to LSURussian
quote:Ok, Donald Trump.
Inflation has been almost non-existent in the U.S. for over a decade.
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