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re: How does the Bible reconcile dinosaurs and their long existence?

Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by Drank
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:48 pm to
The word "dinosaur" wasn't actually invented until 1842 so it wouldn't obviously exist in the bible.
There are several references to beasts that may or may not be those reptiles throughout the old Testament.
That's all I know though.
Posted by EmperorGout
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:49 pm to
plants were created on day three and the sun on day four

do you even Genesis bro

Posted by UKWildcatsFAN
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:55 pm to
I miss read your post sorry, you are correct.
Posted by whit
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:55 pm to
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lot of people have the same belief you do because they like sitting on the fence but god said that he onced winked at ignorance but he now commands

I don't sit on the fence. I interpret it differently. It's all good though.
Posted by Langland
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:57 pm to
How do the science books reconcile that life existed on earth for 3.5 billion years?

I mean why are we still here? Shouldn't we have been wiped out by multiple asteroids, planetary collisions, sun fluctuations or alien invasions by now? Perhaps we are just very lucky that we didn't get hit by a similar hunk of shite that created the moon. It's actually pretty scary when you think about it.

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Posted by Womski
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:58 pm to
Are we allowing religion threads now?

I lost one of my first alters in a thread about the Creation Museum several years back. Glad to see TD has evolved to appease the Bible Belt subscribers.
Posted by amherstdawg
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:58 pm to
Doesn't it say somewhere in the book of Peter "a day is like a thousand years to God? Or a blink of the eye or something?.....also any Christian that thinks the world is only 6000 years old is an idiot.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:59 pm to
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dinasour



Sounds like a fun candy, or a delicious beverage.


"Oh barkeep, I'd like two tom Collins and a Dino Sour."

Posted by UKWildcatsFAN
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:06 pm to
That's correct but not when you take it out of context. The bible defines what a day is. Then it specifically says that god created everything in 6 days.

God's not bound to time like we are though.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:07 pm to
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Doesn't it say somewhere in the book of Peter "a day is like a thousand years to God? Or a blink of the eye or something?.....also any Christian that thinks the world is only 6000 years old is an idiot



So he still created dinosaurs first? It seems pretty clear they were prevalent, and humans were not found in the same layers of rock dinosaurs were found. There's too much evidence to suggest humans could not have easily co-existed with the dinosaurs. Think about those giant insects....
Posted by Decisions
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:07 pm to
A man once spoke with God, asking him questions and learning of life.

"God," he began, "what is a million years to you?" God shrugged his shoulders and said "A million years to you is but a second to me."

The man nodded his head and thought for a bit before another question came to him.

"God, what is a million dollars to you?" he asked. God merely shrugged his shoulders again and said "A million dollars to you is but a penny to me."

The man nodded his head again and thought for a bit more, quietly gathering his courage, before asking "God, can I have one of your pennies?"

To which God smiled and replied "Sure thing, just a second."

I know it's just a silly joke, but it really helped me to put into perspective this fact: though the Bible might say something was done in a day, or even some things in the same day, who are we to assume that our "day" is the same "day" as that of a multidimensional, omnipotent being? It would be quite easy to then imagine that the time scales it operates on are so vast that all of our modern truths could still fit nicely into the creation story including: the Big Bang, evolution, dinosaurs, and the late arrival of humans onto the scene.

Don't take the Bible too literally. It can be prone to poetic misinterpretation if you do.
Posted by Melvin
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:10 pm to
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God's not bound to time like we are though.
How convenient
Posted by tybeebomb
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:13 pm to
Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who wanted to reform the Church, not create a schism or devote from it.
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Posted by amherstdawg
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:20 pm to
Word,but I also think the bible can be taken way out of context and also the people whom take it too literal are equally annoying.
Posted by TheFranchise
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:26 pm to
It doesn't account for dinosaurs and it's not supposed to
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:31 pm to
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How convenient


Do you even time dilation, bro?
Posted by ecb
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:33 pm to
I don't read the Bible for scientific purposes, I read it for faith purposes, I don't see any contradictions in believing in dinosaurs and God. But then you are just trolling anyway....
Posted by beauchristopher
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:37 pm to
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Although we alter the spelling of behemoth and Leviathan slightly, we still use those same words in bibles today. However, tanniyn is always translated into another word when we write it in English. Tanniyn occurs 28 times in the Bible and is normally translated “dragon.” It is also translated “serpent,” “sea monster,” “dinosaur,” “great creature,” and “reptile.” Behemoth and Leviathan are relatively specific creatures, perhaps each was a single kind of animal. Tanniyn is a more general term, and it can be thought of as the original version of the word “dinosaur.” The word “dinosaur” was originally coined in 1841, more than three thousand years after the Bible first referred to “Tanniyn.” To make things clearer, we constructed the following table comparing the scientific names with the Biblical names tanniyn, behemoth, and Leviathan.




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How we got these new names is interesting. In 1822, Mary Ann Mantell became the first person to discover and correctly identify a strange bone as part of a large, unknown reptile. Her husband, Dr. Gideon Mantell, later named this creature an “Iguanodon.” From that time forward, these forgotten animals were given names chosen by the people who rediscovered them. Of course, the Bible, written between approximately 1450 BC and 95 AD, does not include any of these names. Reading the Bible carefully, you will realize that no living creature matches the descriptions of behemoth and Leviathan. However, if you grab your kid’s dinosaur book, you will notice several possible matches for each one. Let’s examine those. violet ball Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24 It “eats grass like an ox.” It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”) Its “bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron.” “He is the first of the ways of God.” “He lies under the lotus trees, In a covert of reeds and marsh.”


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Some bibles and study bibles will translate the word “behemoth” as “elephant” or “hippopotamus.” Others will put a note at the edge or bottom of the page, stating that behemoth was probably an elephant or a hippopotamus. Although an elephant or hippopotamus can eat grass (or lie in a covert of reeds and marsh), neither an elephant or a hippopotamus has a “tail like a cedar” (that is, a tail like a large, tapered tree trunk). In your kid’s dinosaur book you will find lots of animals that have “tails like a cedar.” We would expect behemoth to be a large land animal whose bones are like beams of bronze and so forth, so whatever a behemoth is, it is large. A key phrase is “He is the first of the ways of God.” This phrase in the original Hebrew implied that behemoth was the biggest animal created. Although an elephant or a hippopotamus are big, they are less than one-tenth the size of a Brachiosaurus, the largest (complete) dinosaur ever discovered.[1] A Brachiosaurus could therefore easily be described as “the first of the ways of God.” Comparing all this information to the description in your kid’s dinosaur book, you may come to the conclusion that “behemoth” is not a normal animal, it is a dinosaur—the brachiosaurus. We agree with that conclusion!



Different terminology.. but yeah..
Posted by beauchristopher
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:38 pm to
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vertebrae which they propose belong to “new” sauropods larger than Brachiosaurus. Examples of these include Amphicoelias, Argentinasaurus, Sauroposeidon, Seismosaurus, Supersaurus and Ultrasaurus. There currently is not enough evidence to really determine the size of any of these, and some paleontologists believe that they are merely large examples of known dinosaurs like Brachiosaurus or Diplodocus. In any case, only the “modern scientific name” of behemoth would change. The point would still remain that behemoth refers to a dinosaur, not a “modern animal” like an elephant or hippopotamus. violet ball Leviathan has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing—just enough to make the point. “No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.” “Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?” “His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.” “His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.” “Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.” “On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear.” Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself). Leviathan is a “reptile [a] that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1) [a] Note: The word translated “reptile” here is the Hebrew word tanniyn. This shows that “Leviathan” was also a “tanniyn” (dragon). Unlike behemoth, who is huge, Leviathan is ferocious and terrifying. Many references (we have not listed them all) refer to the sea, so Leviathan is probably a sea creature. Although some bibles refer to Leviathan as an alligator or crocodile (and both of these are fierce) neither of these is a sea creature. They like the water, but they spend much of their time on land. Further, the question “Who can open the doors of his face. . . .” implies that nobody can open Leviathan’s jaws. Although an alligator's jaws cannot normally be forced open, a punch to their sensitive snout or poke in eye might startle them enough to release their grip.[2] Although this is a good description of an alligator characteristic, it does not fit perfectly with the description of Leviathan, which in the context of the Bible was supposed to describe an essentially impossible event, and we are not done yet. The description of the scales is interesting. Several verses describe these great scales. Compared to Leviathan’s armor, iron is like straw and arrows ca not make it flee. Let’s face it, an arrow can do a lot of damage to a crocodile or alligator. This is not a description of either of them—or any living animal we are aware of. And now for the key ingredient: fire. It is hard to read Job 41:18-21 without realizing the Bible is telling us that Leviathan breathes fire. That alone will eliminate almost every living animal. Yes, there is one animal like that in today’s world. It is called a bombardier beetle. This beetle is a native of Central America, and has a nozzle in its hind end that acts like a little flame thrower. It sprays a high-temperature jet of gas (fueled by hydroquinones and hydrogen peroxide with oxidative enzymes) for protection. Now, if a Central American beetle can do it, so could Leviathan. By the way, crocodiles and alligators are out of the picture on this one, don’t you agree? Before we leave the topic of fire, there are two more notes you may find interesting: The history of every culture is filled with stories of fire-breathing dragons. If you think about it, in all the past ages wouldn’t someone have made up a story of a fire-breathing lion or something? Nobody did because the dragon stories are based on truth, and only “dragons” breathed fire. It is easy to imagine Leviathan as a member of the dragon (tanniyn) family. (Plus, Isaiah 27:1 strongly implies this connection.) Many fossil dinosaur skulls contain unexplained, empty passages. Scientists have not been able to guess the reason for these passages. Would it make sense that some dinosaurs used these passages as “gas tanks” for the combustible mixture used to “breathe fire?” We believe it does. Comparing all this information to the description in your kid’s dinosaur book, you may come up with the conclusion that Leviathan is a kronosaurus. We have heard (and read) other suggestions, but the kronosaurus is the best match of any known creature to the description of Leviathan. The Accuracy of the Bible Some people believe that the Bible is not a scientifically accurate book, and that it is only a “spiritual book,” that forgot about dinosaurs or described them incorrectly. This is not the case. Nobody has ever proven that the Bible contains any inaccurately recorded information. (If you think someone has such evidence, contact us: address and show us the evidence. We will post that evidence with our reply in our FAQ section for the world to see—literally.) You do not have to believe the Bible just because someone says you are supposed to. That is blind faith, and blind faith is something you do not need with Christianity. The Bible and Christianity have been proven to be true. (See our page called “How Do You Know The Bible Is True?”) There is no other religion or “holy writing” that can honestly make the same claim. You may also wish to get a copy of the book “Know Why You Believe” by Paul Little. It addresses the facts that support Christianity in clear and simple terms. What We Are Taught (In School and Through the Media) Since humans are in the Bible, we unconsciously think that dinosaurs were extinct—and therefore not mentioned in the Bible. As you have just seen, the Bible not only refers to dinosaurs, but has detailed information about two of them. Unfortunately, our public school system and the media have convinced us that dinosaurs were extinct at least 60 million years before man appeared on earth. They have done such a good job in this area that we can not imagine people and dinosaurs living at the same time. The fact is that dinosaurs were created no more than one day before mankind, not many millions of years earlier—and we have evidence to support that statement. Click here to see our Creation and Evolution page, and a link to many sites that fully prove this. There is a lot of quality scientific information available regarding dinosaurs in the Bible.


whoever is willing to read such wall of text. enjoy.

basically different terminology of a different time..

Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:41 pm to
Interesting...have an upvote for a non-inflammatory response.
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