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re: How does the Bible reconcile dinosaurs and their long existence?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:42 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:42 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
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The bible defines what a day is.
What is a day if the sun hasn't been created yet?
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:43 pm to tiggerthetooth
On the sixth, god created the beasts of the earth and man.
However, due to the ubiquity of the statement in relation to the current time period, how do we know a day was really 24 hours.
More than likely, the time period of creation between the one the "beasts" and the subsequent creation of "man" was thousands of millennia.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:43 pm to Melvin
I'm a new Christian and was an atheist for most of my life, 37 now. Not sure why I still click these threads. But I'm not here to argue, it's intriguing what some people think when you start talking about God and Jesus. And how misconstrued it all gets. In just the last few months I've seen to many answered prays to just say it is coincidence. It's a very hard thing to do. To realize we are not in control. But when you do realize that, life becomes a lot easier. Material possessions don't matter as much, friendships grow, and marriages are saved. There are a lot of terrible judgmental Christians out there that don't get it either and it really doesn't matter what they say or think. Who cares dinosaurs were real or not? In the big scheme it doesn't matter. What matters is the person I am now and where I'll be when I'm gone. I guess I'll ask one question, if there is a .001% chance heaven and eternal life are real and you get to spend it with your loved ones, why wouldn't you want that??
"My church isn't a museum for the spiritually elite it's a hospital for the broken"
"My church isn't a museum for the spiritually elite it's a hospital for the broken"
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:45 pm to LCA131
If you were writing a book and dinosaurs were around don't you think you would go into a little bit more detail?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:46 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
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I go to a conservative church of Christ. All they do is teach bible authority and biblical evidence.
God created the world and everything in it. Don't be confused when people try to say the bibles not from god. If he can create everything we see then you can be confident that man can't hide his words.
Come hang out one sunday at Christ's church of Barf. We teach something very similar using evidence I have uncovered from digging holes in my back yard. I only ask that you give me 20% of your gross income before taxes in exchange for a certificate of entry in to the kingdom of pancakes.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:48 pm to lake2280
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If you were writing a book and dinosaurs were around don't you think you would go into a little bit more detail?
Certainly....if that were the focus of the book. Do books about dinosaurs go into great detail about a Supreme Being?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:50 pm to LCA131
No because there isn't any proof of a supreme being.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:53 pm to mobius99
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Who cares dinosaurs were real or not?
Third Wednesday of every month I allow people to come into my church to see proof of Dinosaurs. I don't usually say this kind of thing in public but believe it or not... I have some of their bones. Crazy, I know.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:54 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:You have no evidence of long existence or existence at all. You science lovers believe what you are told to believe. You follow your master; I follow my master. You master leads to death and hell
long existence?
My master leads to eternal life. Dinosaurs are irrelevant. This life is only slightly relevant. Eternity is what matters. I put my trust in Jesus. Many of you put your trust in scientific hokum.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:55 pm to LCA131
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Oh, I get it. An old joke. You know Mr. Rouge, it might do you good to increase your walk with Jesus.
Be healed, sinner.
Mr. Rouge could definitely use a walk with Jesus, imo.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:55 pm to lake2280
But wasn't what you asked me. To those who wrote the book there is plenty of proof. Maybe not by the Scientific Method but that is not what faith is about. The 'Great' scientists throughout history have been WRONG about many things they were quite certain about AT THE TIME. As things progress and we learn more we have changed what we accept. I elect to believe without proof...it is the very definition of faith. You may not...but that is YOUR business. You won't catch me being critical of your lack of faith.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:59 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
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Actually the bible gives a cronilogical order all the way to Jesus. The reason they do that is because they had to prove Jesus to the Jews.
Matthew was using a bit of Enron accounting. Under Hebrew standards he didn't have to be exact with Christ's ancestry. So he went to extra lengths to emphasize His Davidic ancestry.
In Hebrew, letters are also numbers, giving each word a numeric value. Written Hebrew didn't use consonants, so David was spelled Dalet-Vav-Dalet. Daley was the fourth letter, Vav the sixth, giving David's name a value of 4+6+4=14. Which is why Matthew shoehorned Christ's ancestry into blocks of 14.
Abraham to David might really have been 14 generations. David to the exile definitely wasn't. Anyone familiar with the Old Testament knows Matthew removed Jehoiakim and the three kings most closely tied to the House of Omri. A bit of damnatio memoriae. The exile to Christ might have been 14 but that's a longshot. That was 600 years, meaning each man was 50 when his son was born.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:00 pm to mobius99
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k. Who cares dinosaurs were real or not? In the big scheme it doesn't matter. What matters is the person I am now and where I'll be when I'm gone. I guess I'll ask one question, if there is a .001% chance heaven and eternal life are real and you get to spend it with your loved ones, why wouldn't you want that
This thread does. I'm not arguing against Christianity or the effect it has on people. It's about how the bible in light of clear fossil evidence accounts for a long period of time on earth when humans did not exist.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:05 pm to tiggerthetooth
That wall of text suggested dinosaurs could spit fire....... I can't even.....
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:08 pm to tiggerthetooth
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It's about how the bible (comma) in light of clear fossil evidence (comma) accounts for a long period of time on earth when humans did not exist.
For clarity, let us now remove the portion between the commas and we get
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It's about how the bible accounts for a long period of time on earth when humans did not exist.
It doesn't, as it is not a book about that subject. It is about the story of Man and his relationship with God.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:11 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
If the earth is 6000 years old how do you explain the infinite amount of stars billions of light years away? Saying the earth is only that age literally would mean that every star further doesn't actually exist. There would not have been enough time for its light to reach us. This 6000 year old earth believe extinguishes every star and galaxy outside of of the milky way and most of the stars within it
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:16 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
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No man really knows for sure but biblical evidence points to the world only being around 6,000 to 10,000 years old.
really evidence huh....here's a few pieces of evidence that destroy young earth creationism
1 The Chinese, they have had record keeping at its earliest 10k years ago and known civilizations since 15k years ago when they domesticated wolves. Its odd they survived Noah's flood and actually did quite well for themselves
2 This is my favorite because undeducated Biblical folk dont even know this happened...I would love for you to fit the Vredefort Crater Basin into a 10000 year old Earth.
Your Bible doesnt mention it anywhere...thats odd, we know it happened because you can see the remnant of the 200 mile wide crater it created from space and its entire geology is well understood.
This was a 7 mile wide asteroid event that struck the Earth in South Africa at around 100,000 mph. It vaporized 1000km^3 of bedrock and flung it into the atmosphere. Problem for you Biblical folk is this was an extinction event and it happened a mere 3,000 miles from your supposed Cradle of Life, the Middle East.
It would have been a bad day for those Biblical folks as they would have first seen the top of the explosion after it rose to almost the edge of space. Then the Richter scale 15 earthquakes would have rolled in flattening everything. A few hours later a blast overpressure of 15-20psi would have smashed what stood and killed anyone outside. Then house size blocks of rock on fire would rain back from space and would have killed anyone left. and then every living thing on earth save bacteria would have died after about a week or two.
so now please explain why your Biblical evidence doesnt speak of the death of the world somewhere from Adam to Revelations
again you cant deny this happened, you can google earth the scar
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:18 pm to Itismemc
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That wall of text suggested dinosaurs could spit fire....... I can't even.....
But if a beetle can do it, why can't a dinosaur?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:23 pm to mobius99
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I guess I'll ask one question, if there is a .001% chance heaven and eternal life are real and you get to spend it with your loved ones, why wouldn't you want that??
Who said they wouldn't want that? Of course everyone would want that
My biggest problem with your argument is this... Isn't your line of thinking somewhat selfish? It's all about you and your eternal reward. Isn't that somewhat contrary to the teachings of your religion? Why would God reward a selfish person who prays with eternal life but sentence someone to eternal torture even if he follows all his commandments but doesn't go to reconciliation, spend 1 hour in church a week, etc?
Why can I easily think of a more fair system than an omnipotent being
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:24 pm to TJGator1215
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mismatched together to fit what you want to see
why do you think this is the case when different radiometric techniques using different isotopic clocks tested on the same substrate verify independently the age of the item.
there are 1000's of papers where this type of dating confirmation is used
you think its an agenda which clarifies your ignorance of the subject.
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