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House was broken into this past Tuesday
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted this on the GSB, but I know the OT baws here can probably add a little insight, too. It's a long read, but please humor me:
So, my wife came home Tuesday and found one of our sidelight windows beside our front door broken and the door sitting slightly opened. She got back in the van with the kids, locked up, and called the cops. They cleared the house, but the thieves got away with three TV's, blue ray players, my dad's Colt pistol that he left me (was in a small safe and they just took it with everything in it), and got my wife's valuable jewelry, most notably her engagement ring which she didn't wear to work that day as she is a nurse and some days it's better left at home, or so we thought (thankfully, we had a separate rider on our insurance just for it). Of course, all is replaceable and no one is hurt. Can't replace the sentimental stuff as easily, but they're just "things".
Question is, what should we do to prevent a repeat? Signed up for a security system yesterday along with a video cam system, so we've got that out of the way now and that seems to be the most effective thing we can do. I've also replaced my gun. There's one cypress tree between us and a neighbor that blocks their view of our driveway closest to the house and I will be removing it soon. There's actually a security light that the tree has grown up around which is no longer on, but I'll have it turned on as soon as the tree is down.
Funny thing is, we're the last house at the end of a quiet, five house cup-de-sac neighborhood, not in a problem area or anything.....never would have figured we'd have to worry about this kind of stuff. But these guys were pros. They only took specific items, nothing that wasn't a TV, Blu-Ray player, Roku or jewelry, and were likely in and out in 10 minutes or so. They timed it to avoid running into anyone (which I appreciate).
Now, let me add to this since I've had time to think about it. I don't know this for sure yet, but I'm pretty sure no one else was hit in the days leading up to this or after. I will confirm with the investigator in the morning. This leads me to believe that it was someone who has been to the house before. That narrows it down a bit. We bought the house in May of 2016. Since then we've had:
1. Xfinity cable guy who did the install and setup of our system in May, 2016
2. An A/C guy that is part of a family-owned, two man service business that has a good rep. He did our first and second tune ups in June of 2016 year and then January, 2017.
3. A roofing sales manager to give a roof estimate and an estimate for a couple of small repairs in September, 2016.
4. The roof repair guy from the same company in September, 2016, and again in approximately April or May of 2017. Brought a helper who is part of his normal crew on the second trip, but he seemed okay.
5. Another roofing company sales guy in June, 2017. Also had a helper, but again, nothing "off" about either of them.
6. Chimney repair guys for two separate companies. Both came out for estimates, both are reputable, only one did work. That guy brought a helper, but he was older and seemed okay. Visits were in July and August, 2017.
7. Another A/C tech from a new, reputable company I was trying out. Came to do our tune up in July, 2017. Nice guy, very helpful. Found out from the next guy we had out that he was let go from the company for doing service on the side with company tools and generally competing with his employer. Could be significant, could not be. No job could cause desperation
8. Yet another A/C tech from previous company came out and ultimately diagnosed a bad defrost board. Had to order part. Took a while to figure out the problem, but his diagnosis did turn out to be correct. Found out he'd only been with the company for 6 weeks. Here's the catch and why this guy is my focus right now: When he called me to let me know he was on the way, his number came across with a female's name whose last name didn't match his (mother or girlfriend, presumably...and thanks, Verizon, for your caller ID service). I find it odd for a grown man to have his cell phone in his mother or girlfriend's name and think it could indicate credit issues which could indicate other things. Also, there was a piece of attic insulation tracked into one of my kids' rooms where he never should have been. And he had a chance to see everything in the house, including where the jewelry box was as that's where the main floor thermostat is. Additionally, he straight-up lied about changing an air filter I asked him to change on the second floor. Caught that while he was still there, but figured I'd report it to the company afterward. Interestingly, the intruder made no effort to open a third door on the second floor that goes to the walk-in attic/unfinished bonus and that leads me to believe that whomever came in knew there was nothing worth taking in the attic and left it alone. The second floor air handler is in the attic........
9. Yet another A/C guy came out to replace the previously diagnosed defrost board and he seemed like a good dude. Been with the company for 4 years. Young guy, but knew what he was doing and even asked me at one point what I thought of the guy who was there before. He kinda seemed to think he was quirky since he was a trade school-educated guy and hadn't learned the trade by apprenticing. Said he thought he was alright. Just felt like he did things backward.
And that's the list. Everyone on the list could have identified that we didn't have a security system and that our dog was in the backyard, meaning he probably wouldn't be inside. All of them could have identified the line-of-sight issue for our neighbors due to the cypress tree and the fact that no one could see a car parked in front of our garage (which had to be where they entered from and loaded up...they dropped an item there on their way out). BUT, only the A/C guys had ever been INSIDE the house and, notably, INSIDE the attic. My money right now....is on number 8. My question is, how do I pursue this with the investigator? And, can he check with the carrier of the cell phone to see if that phone had "pinged" any towers around us on Tuesday (or would that require an incoming or outgoing phone call)?
What says the OT?
Thanks for reading and for any help you can offer.
So, my wife came home Tuesday and found one of our sidelight windows beside our front door broken and the door sitting slightly opened. She got back in the van with the kids, locked up, and called the cops. They cleared the house, but the thieves got away with three TV's, blue ray players, my dad's Colt pistol that he left me (was in a small safe and they just took it with everything in it), and got my wife's valuable jewelry, most notably her engagement ring which she didn't wear to work that day as she is a nurse and some days it's better left at home, or so we thought (thankfully, we had a separate rider on our insurance just for it). Of course, all is replaceable and no one is hurt. Can't replace the sentimental stuff as easily, but they're just "things".
Question is, what should we do to prevent a repeat? Signed up for a security system yesterday along with a video cam system, so we've got that out of the way now and that seems to be the most effective thing we can do. I've also replaced my gun. There's one cypress tree between us and a neighbor that blocks their view of our driveway closest to the house and I will be removing it soon. There's actually a security light that the tree has grown up around which is no longer on, but I'll have it turned on as soon as the tree is down.
Funny thing is, we're the last house at the end of a quiet, five house cup-de-sac neighborhood, not in a problem area or anything.....never would have figured we'd have to worry about this kind of stuff. But these guys were pros. They only took specific items, nothing that wasn't a TV, Blu-Ray player, Roku or jewelry, and were likely in and out in 10 minutes or so. They timed it to avoid running into anyone (which I appreciate).
Now, let me add to this since I've had time to think about it. I don't know this for sure yet, but I'm pretty sure no one else was hit in the days leading up to this or after. I will confirm with the investigator in the morning. This leads me to believe that it was someone who has been to the house before. That narrows it down a bit. We bought the house in May of 2016. Since then we've had:
1. Xfinity cable guy who did the install and setup of our system in May, 2016
2. An A/C guy that is part of a family-owned, two man service business that has a good rep. He did our first and second tune ups in June of 2016 year and then January, 2017.
3. A roofing sales manager to give a roof estimate and an estimate for a couple of small repairs in September, 2016.
4. The roof repair guy from the same company in September, 2016, and again in approximately April or May of 2017. Brought a helper who is part of his normal crew on the second trip, but he seemed okay.
5. Another roofing company sales guy in June, 2017. Also had a helper, but again, nothing "off" about either of them.
6. Chimney repair guys for two separate companies. Both came out for estimates, both are reputable, only one did work. That guy brought a helper, but he was older and seemed okay. Visits were in July and August, 2017.
7. Another A/C tech from a new, reputable company I was trying out. Came to do our tune up in July, 2017. Nice guy, very helpful. Found out from the next guy we had out that he was let go from the company for doing service on the side with company tools and generally competing with his employer. Could be significant, could not be. No job could cause desperation
8. Yet another A/C tech from previous company came out and ultimately diagnosed a bad defrost board. Had to order part. Took a while to figure out the problem, but his diagnosis did turn out to be correct. Found out he'd only been with the company for 6 weeks. Here's the catch and why this guy is my focus right now: When he called me to let me know he was on the way, his number came across with a female's name whose last name didn't match his (mother or girlfriend, presumably...and thanks, Verizon, for your caller ID service). I find it odd for a grown man to have his cell phone in his mother or girlfriend's name and think it could indicate credit issues which could indicate other things. Also, there was a piece of attic insulation tracked into one of my kids' rooms where he never should have been. And he had a chance to see everything in the house, including where the jewelry box was as that's where the main floor thermostat is. Additionally, he straight-up lied about changing an air filter I asked him to change on the second floor. Caught that while he was still there, but figured I'd report it to the company afterward. Interestingly, the intruder made no effort to open a third door on the second floor that goes to the walk-in attic/unfinished bonus and that leads me to believe that whomever came in knew there was nothing worth taking in the attic and left it alone. The second floor air handler is in the attic........
9. Yet another A/C guy came out to replace the previously diagnosed defrost board and he seemed like a good dude. Been with the company for 4 years. Young guy, but knew what he was doing and even asked me at one point what I thought of the guy who was there before. He kinda seemed to think he was quirky since he was a trade school-educated guy and hadn't learned the trade by apprenticing. Said he thought he was alright. Just felt like he did things backward.
And that's the list. Everyone on the list could have identified that we didn't have a security system and that our dog was in the backyard, meaning he probably wouldn't be inside. All of them could have identified the line-of-sight issue for our neighbors due to the cypress tree and the fact that no one could see a car parked in front of our garage (which had to be where they entered from and loaded up...they dropped an item there on their way out). BUT, only the A/C guys had ever been INSIDE the house and, notably, INSIDE the attic. My money right now....is on number 8. My question is, how do I pursue this with the investigator? And, can he check with the carrier of the cell phone to see if that phone had "pinged" any towers around us on Tuesday (or would that require an incoming or outgoing phone call)?
What says the OT?
Thanks for reading and for any help you can offer.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:07 pm to S1C EM
your shite is gone and it's not coming back. There is no way for you to narrow down who did it without security footage. If you have any cameras around your neighborhood or convenience stores, ask them for the tapes for around the time the robbery occurred. Good luck getting your shite back.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:09 pm to poncho villa
quote:
your shite is gone and it's not coming back. There is no way for you to narrow down who did it without security footage. If you have any cameras around your neighborhood or convenience stores, ask them for the tapes for around the time the robbery occurred. Good luck getting your shite back.
I'm not trying to "get the shite back". That's what insurance is for. I still want the guys caught.
Thanks for no help, but can't say I didn't know there'd be at least one of you.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:09 pm to S1C EM
Install Door Jamb Armor on all of your entry doors.
Install 3M or ACE security laminate on your windows.
These two things will prevent the large majority of forced entry attempts on a residence.
ETA: Also, use dual cylinder deadbolts on a front door with sidelights. Even with security laminate, it's an added layer and it's typically no big deal to put the key in a drawer or on a shelf in the foyer.
And cameras and alarms and aggressive dogs are all fine but no guarantee. I have all of those too but plenty of burglars are perfectly happy ignoring all three of those things. If you haven't taken steps to physically prevent the entry (i.e. door jamb armor, dual cylinder deadbolts and so on) then you're going to be in for a shock when you watch a burglar on your security camera simply kick in your door, steal your shite and leave while your alarm goes off and your dog barks at him the whole time.
Install 3M or ACE security laminate on your windows.
These two things will prevent the large majority of forced entry attempts on a residence.
ETA: Also, use dual cylinder deadbolts on a front door with sidelights. Even with security laminate, it's an added layer and it's typically no big deal to put the key in a drawer or on a shelf in the foyer.
And cameras and alarms and aggressive dogs are all fine but no guarantee. I have all of those too but plenty of burglars are perfectly happy ignoring all three of those things. If you haven't taken steps to physically prevent the entry (i.e. door jamb armor, dual cylinder deadbolts and so on) then you're going to be in for a shock when you watch a burglar on your security camera simply kick in your door, steal your shite and leave while your alarm goes off and your dog barks at him the whole time.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:10 pm to S1C EM
quote:
If you have any cameras around your neighborhood or convenience stores, ask them for the tapes for around the time the robbery occurred
quote:
Thanks for no help
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:10 pm to Nativebullet
quote:
Where do you live?
Barrow county, close to Oconee county line. Not inner city or anything like that and not a bad area. Neighborhood is a single cul-de-sac with 5 houses, ours being at the very end of it.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:10 pm to S1C EM
Invest in a German Shepherd.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:11 pm to S1C EM
Happened to me a few years ago, thieves took anything they could walk out with, including food and toilet paper.
Few days later I found my guitars at a pawn shop, called the cops but kept getting the run around...never got anything back
Few days later I found my guitars at a pawn shop, called the cops but kept getting the run around...never got anything back
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:12 pm to poncho villa
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poncho villa
Sorry, you wedged one nugget of "duh" in there. There are no cameras in the neighborhood and we're nowhere near a convenience store. Two neighbors closest to me were both home and neither saw anything.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:12 pm to Anonymous95
I have an American Bulldog. He works, but he ain't coming inside. 
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:13 pm to S1C EM
Hard to say about the perp. Sorry baw. I hate a damn thief.
I will say that we have a SimpliSafe security system that I installed myself and it works great. Monitoring is like $9 per month and no contract.
I will say that we have a SimpliSafe security system that I installed myself and it works great. Monitoring is like $9 per month and no contract.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:14 pm to S1C EM
You forgot about Jody, he’s been there plenty of times
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:15 pm to S1C EM
quote:
My question is, how do I pursue this with the investigator?
They won't care. They will just file a report and move on.
Had a friend who was robbed and he was asking if they were going to do any fingerprinting. Cop said nope and that was it. Just another case that will go unsolved.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:16 pm to S1C EM
how can we make a racist assumption of you don't tell us their skin color
this fails the OT test
this fails the OT test
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:17 pm to S1C EM
Your best bet, if so inclined, is to go hunt down your shite by going to every pawn shop in town. Then have the police find out who pawned the stuff and follow it up fhaf way.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:17 pm to OWLFAN86
I assumed the roofers were your people while reading.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:20 pm to S1C EM
Go check the local Pawn Shops if you havnt already. Bring a list of what was taken and any pictures of the stuff if you have it.
Good chance some of it was pawned for cash and if so, there may be video of the people.
Maybe even include pawn shops a little outside of what you consider local. If they really are "pros" like you said, they may be smart enough to not go to the nearest one.
EDIT: Also bring a copy of the police report too just to prove to the people youre for real.
Good chance some of it was pawned for cash and if so, there may be video of the people.
Maybe even include pawn shops a little outside of what you consider local. If they really are "pros" like you said, they may be smart enough to not go to the nearest one.
EDIT: Also bring a copy of the police report too just to prove to the people youre for real.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:31 pm to Huey Lewis
quote:
Install Door Jamb Armor on all of your entry doors.
Install 3M or ACE security laminate on your windows.
Will look into this. Thanks!
It was a sidelight that they punched/hammered through and turned the locks on. We'll be replacing the whole door and removing the sidelights.
As for the camera, once I get a notification now, I will be calling the cops.
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