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Hitler may have come close to building atomic bomb

Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Roadkill Gumbo
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:20 pm
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A pensioner in Brandenberg, Germany, was casting about with his metal detector last week when it gave an unusual ‘bleep’.

According to German media, it’s cause was what first appeared to be a nondescript but shiny lump of metal.

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Then the 64-year-old hobbyist, Bernd Thälmann, gave it a quick test.

It was not magnetic.

This was odd. Bernd had been scouring the terrain around Oranienburg in Brandenberg for some time. He had some experience in what to expect to find.

After bringing it home and leaving it laying around for several days, he and his children began to do some digging on the properties of various metals

What they found caused them to became somewhat anxious.

He notified authorities.

He suddenly became the centre of a huge emergency services effort — including the evacuation and cordoning off of surrounding homes.

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Men in hazmat suits moved into his house, and carefully packed his find into a special lead-lined container, which was itself put in a protective suitcase.

Now Bernd’s being investigated for possessing ‘unauthorised radioactive substances’.

Police have confirmed Bernd’s metallic find is radioactive. And they’ve also reportedly suggested a source.

Oranienburg was, during World War II, the location of a secret research facility.

It was working on enriching uranium oxide sourced from South America..

Its objective was to create weapons-grade plutonium.

This was to be the core a Nazi atomic bomb.
The research facility is long gone.

But it seems some rather telltale traces still remain.


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Britain and the United States were well aware of Hitler’s atomic bomb ambitions.

They strove hard to disrupt it.

The daring raids by British Mosquito fighter-bombers and British-Norwegian saboteurs to destroy a nuclear research plant in Norway has been the subject of several books and films.

But some 16,000 bombs were dropped on the Oranienburg facility during the war.

It was completely destroyed.

Despite the fact the Soviets carefully scoured the site after steamrollering through Germany in 1945, it’s highly likely more radioactive material remains among the scattered rubble.

But Berndt doesn’t want to tell police where he found his piece.

He wants to go back there to find more evidence of the Nazi bomb-making project.

“The finder refuses to provide information on the exact location,” a police statement reads.

This has landed Berndt in heavy water.

As his find was an “unauthorised radioactive substance”, an investigation has been initiated and the find seized as part of an ongoing criminal investigation.

Charges are yet to be pressed, however.


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Documents released earlier this year by the US National Archives reveal how close Nazi scientists came to developing the war-winning atomic bomb.

The APO 696 file is a survey of Nazi research concluded Hitler came close to assembling a basic warhead in 1944.

It includes testimony that such a weapon may even have been tested.

The file reports of German test pilot Hans Zinsser believed he saw a ‘mushroom cloud’ near a nuclear research facility at Ludwgslust in 1944.

His log book — submitted as evidence to Allied investigators — reads; “In early October 1944 I flew away 12-15 km from a nuclear test station near Ludwigslust (South of Lübeck).

“A cloud shaped like a mushroom with turbulent, billowing sections (at about 7000 metres) stood, without any seeming connections over the spot where the explosion took place. Strong electrical disturbances and the impossibility to continue radio communication as by lighting turned up.”

A second pilot reportedly observed the same thing an hour later, and an Italian correspondent who saw the blast reported his observations to Mussolini.

Posted by OysterPoBoy
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:21 pm to
Where did he find the time?
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:21 pm to
oh man





























































germans
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:23 pm to
Germans
Posted by CoachChappy
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:23 pm to
That would have been a game changer
Posted by CaptainJ47
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:23 pm to
If he was that close why didn't he finish developing it after he escaped to Argentina?
Posted by TheFonz
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:23 pm to
I don't think it is a giant secret that the krauts were trying to develop the bomb and had made great strides in doing so.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:24 pm to
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If he was that close why didn't he finish


Opiates.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:26 pm to
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I don't think it is a giant secret that the krauts were trying to develop the bomb and had made great strides in doing so.



Towards the end of '44, I believe, the Navy intercepted a German (or was it Japanese?) submarine en route to one or the other that had 'heavy water' among its cargo. It wasn't until this interception that progress in the Manhattan project came in to full swing - before this discovery, they were thinking they'd have the bomb ready in early '47.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:28 pm to
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A German historian has claimed in a new book presented on Monday that Nazi scientists successfully tested a tactical nuclear weapon in the last months of World War II.

Rainer Karlsch said that new research in Soviet and also Western archives, along with measurements carried out at one of the test sites, provided evidence for the existence of the weapon.

"The important thing in my book is the finding that the Germans had an atomic reactor near Berlin which was running for a short while, perhaps some days or weeks," he told the BBC.

"The second important finding was the atomic tests carried out in Thuringia and on the Baltic Sea."

Mr Karlsch describes what the Germans had as a "hybrid tactical nuclear weapon" much smaller than those dropped on Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

'Bright light'

He said the last test, carried out in Thuringia on 3 March 1945, destroyed an area of about 500 sq m, killing several hundred prisoners of war and concentration camp inmates.

The weapons were never used because they were not yet ready for mass production. There were also problems with delivery and detonation systems.


Posted by East Coast Band
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:29 pm to
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Hitler may have come close to building atomic bomb

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:34 pm to
I always thought that Albert Einstein urged FDR to authorize what became known as the Manhattan Project and that one of Al's selling points was Germany was already working on building a bomb.

That was in 1939 before the U.S. entered the war.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:40 pm to
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Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

And atomic bombs
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:44 pm to
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This has landed Berndt in heavy water.


Cute. The Norway plant that was bombed was a heavy water production plant, not a nuclear research facility. And it crippled any German ability to make the bomb. Hitler cut funding in this area and there was not a serious effort for a nuclear bomb by the nazis. And the scientists they had generally were not in the same league as ours due to defections. Though I think they did have Heisenberg; but I'm not certain.

Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:51 pm to
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And the scientists they had generally were not in the same league as ours due to defections.


German scientists and engineers were certainly in the same league as ours, hence why we and the Soviets were in such a scramble to round up as many as we could to send to work for our own side after the war. There is a myth that because Jewish scientists were forced out of Germany that it somehow devastated Germany's research and design efforts. Totally false.

The Germans had less emphasis on nuclear weapons than we did and had a much more difficult struggle in maintaining their war production as a whole.
Posted by arkiebrian
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:54 pm to
As it says in the article Hitler’s atomic ambitions were well known. There’s a famous raid that was made to destroy these ambitions in Norway. Hitler had nothing on the scale of the enrichment plant in Oak Ridge, TN.

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Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 2:13 pm to
That along with the Horten Ho 229 would have been bad for the rest of of the world.
Posted by Akit1
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Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 2:34 pm to
Interesting. Also know he was developing bombers to hit NYC and still have enough fuel to make it back to Europe. Crazy.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 2:43 pm to
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Towards the end of '44, I believe, the Navy intercepted a German (or was it Japanese?) submarine en route to one or the other that had 'heavy water' among its cargo. It wasn't until this interception that progress in the Manhattan project came in to full swing - before this discovery, they were thinking they'd have the bomb ready in early '47.


Lay off the hemp, head.
Posted by MaroonWhite
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:15 pm to
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There’s a famous raid that was made to destroy these ambitions in Norway.


I saw a 6 episode series on Neflix last year that covered this called The Heavy Water War. It was very good, and is supposed to be historically accurate.
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