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History Channel's 'Grant' Is a Timely Reminder of Which General Actually Won the Civil War

Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:12 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:12 pm
A Military.com article taking pot shots at southern Lost Causers. The docuseries premieres Monday night on the History Channel.

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President Ulysses Grant gets a three-night spotlight on the History Channel with "Grant," a six-hour series that combines documentary and docudrama to explore the life of the West Point graduate who became commander of the Union armies during the Civil War before becoming the 18th president in 1869.

The show's first episode premieres Monday, May 25, at 9 p.m. ET/PT and will continue with two-hour episodes on Tuesday and Wednesday at the same time. Noted Grant biographer Ron Chernow (who also wrote "Hamilton") executive-produced the series, alongside noted history buff and Oscar-winning actor Leonardo DiCaprio.

U.K. actor Justin Salinger portrays Grant in the reenactment scenes, and his story is fleshed out with commentary from luminaries like Chernow; retired Army Gen. and former CIA Director David Petraeus; acclaimed author and journalist Ta-Nehisi Coates; and Elizabeth Samet, a professor of English at West Point.

Robert E. Lee may have been the star pupil at West Point and currently the most-celebrated military man of his era, so it's easy to forget that he commanded the losing side in the Civil War.

Grant was the actual winner in that war, and he went on to serve as president as the country struggled to reconcile its split and reunite during Reconstruction. He's a towering figure in American history, and this new film will hopefully contribute to a greater appreciation of the role he played during this most divisive era.

"Grant" follows the History Channel's successful "Washington" series, which was a huge success back in February with action scenes directed by Roel Reiné ("Hard Target 2," "Seal Team Eight: Behind Enemy Lines"). Mike and Frank digging through the junk on “American Pickers” is always a guaranteed good time, but it's nice to see some actual history back on the History Channel.


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Posted by rpr4695
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:13 pm to
But muh sla... tariffs
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:14 pm to
Can't wait to hear about Grant's views on States Rights.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:15 pm to
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Robert E. Lee may have been the star pupil at West Point and currently the most-celebrated military man of his era, so it's easy to forget that he commanded the losing side in the Civil War


Is it really though? I feel like that is the first thing that comes to mind when Lee is mentioned--that he was a Confederate general. Pretty sure everyone knows the Confederacy lost the war.

Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:15 pm to
Inb4 drunk, just sacrificed his men to overwhelm Lee, not as good of a general as Lee, etc.
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:16 pm to
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Inb4 drunk,


In fairness, he was a raging drunk. But that is more broadly connected with his time as POTUS rather than his service in the Civil War.
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:16 pm to
I see no pot shot in that quote. It's all true.

What's not right in this part?:

quote:

Robert E. Lee may have been the star pupil at West Point and currently the most-celebrated military man of his era, so it's easy to forget that he commanded the losing side in the Civil War.

Grant was the actual winner in that war, and he went on to serve as president as the country struggled to reconcile its split and reunite during Reconstruction. He's a towering figure in American history, and this new film will hopefully contribute to a greater appreciation of the role he played during this most divisive era.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:19 pm to
I've always been so impressed with Grant's Vicksburg Campaign.

Grant always had an impressive body of work as a general. This article attempts to tackle notions that Grant was "butcher," which I think became a popular myth to justify Grant's successes. LINK

I'll definitely check out this film.
This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted by CaptainPanic
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:19 pm to
Does anybody actually believe the South won?
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:20 pm to
quote:

What's not right in this part?:


That this
quote:

it's easy to forget that he commanded the losing side in the Civil War.


and this

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Grant was the actual winner in that war, and he went on to serve as presiden


are somehow "lost" facts that no one remembers anymore.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:20 pm to
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In fairness, he was a raging drunk.


Probably exaggerated, but I suppose it depends on your definition of "raging drunk".
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:21 pm to
Meh. He was one of the first to understand total war. I will give him credit for that. He was well resourced and made full use of it. Congrats I guess.
Posted by Celery
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:21 pm to
Can they really not find an American actor to handle this role?
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:22 pm to
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Probably exaggerated, but I suppose it depends on your definition of "raging drunk".


I seem to remember reading accounts of Grant being stopped by police in DC for wreckless/drunkenly driving around Washington in his carriage during his Presidency.

I'm sure most of these guys drank their fair share. And I don't consider it to be a huge deal or have any implication on his abilities or service. Just found it humorous
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:23 pm to
Weird thing to be upset about.
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:24 pm to
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Weird thing to be upset about.


Who's upset?
Posted by Master of Sinanju
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:24 pm to
Is Washington available anywhere to stream? I missed it first go around.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:25 pm to
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Can they really not find an American actor to handle this role?


They can, but he'll be black. You good with that?
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 3:27 pm to
Before we have to rehash this thread again.

On almost any given day, Lee was Grant's tactical superior.

But...and this a big arse but... Grant was ahead of his time. He understood logistics better than any military leader of his era save Forest.

Lee was outmatched.

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