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re: Hiring company want previous W-2’s
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:32 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:32 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Iof course you can. Sales organizations have sales rankings. Just provide the rankings showing you are a GOAT Producer.
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 11:34 am
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Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:32 am to IT_Dawg
"I don't have those to give you. If I did, what information would you hope to gain from them?"
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:34 am to IT_Dawg
7 years? What does any of that show? Commission structures change, territories realigned, offerings change. If you have 7 years of success in a related industry your rep should be well known to their existing sales mgmt
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:35 am to IT_Dawg
Tell them you'll consider it after discussing pay and benefits with their current sales staff individually and collectively.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:37 am to Jobu93
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Iof course you can. Sales organizations have sales rankings. Just provide the rankings showing you are a GOAT Producer.
Exactly. You can provide your sales #’s without providing your w-2. They don’t need a w-2 to verify that information. They need the w-2 to try and justify an offer amount.
If an offer is close, tell them they are welcome to them after an offer is on the table.
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:39 am to IT_Dawg
Generally companies ask for this to confirm salary history. Some companies ask for salary history.
But this is a tactic that is kind of going away, since it tends to depress salary offers especially for minorities who may have been previous subject to pay discrimination issues. And as others have said, some states have begun to outright ban asking for salary history (much less W-2s), and some industry organizations as a best practice reccomend that you don't do this.
Ask the company what it is they need the information for. I don't see how salary info on a W-2 is any predictor of success since every company has a different pay structure. Perhaps you can provide a redacted sales history if they really want to see what you have sold. Also since most sales is commission... this is really odd as well since if you don't sell anything they don't pay you much (or at all.)
But this is a tactic that is kind of going away, since it tends to depress salary offers especially for minorities who may have been previous subject to pay discrimination issues. And as others have said, some states have begun to outright ban asking for salary history (much less W-2s), and some industry organizations as a best practice reccomend that you don't do this.
Ask the company what it is they need the information for. I don't see how salary info on a W-2 is any predictor of success since every company has a different pay structure. Perhaps you can provide a redacted sales history if they really want to see what you have sold. Also since most sales is commission... this is really odd as well since if you don't sell anything they don't pay you much (or at all.)
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:39 am to IT_Dawg
quote:It's illegal in some states.
I know it’s illegal in the financial industry to even ask
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:40 am to coolpapaboze
Do they have another way to confirm your sales and commissions?
Asking for W-2's is shady AF, but trusting a salesman in an interview to tell the truth is just as dumb.
Asking for W-2's is shady AF, but trusting a salesman in an interview to tell the truth is just as dumb.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:40 am to IT_Dawg
They can't ask for that in NY
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:41 am to GoCrazyAuburn
I doubt it is about the offer.
I was in sales years ago. Best sales job I interviewed for back then already made the offer. Salary and commission confirmed. They wanted to see the last 3 years of the first 2 pages of my tax returns to verify I was good and a solid producer in the industry (banking) along with the standard background check.
I was in sales years ago. Best sales job I interviewed for back then already made the offer. Salary and commission confirmed. They wanted to see the last 3 years of the first 2 pages of my tax returns to verify I was good and a solid producer in the industry (banking) along with the standard background check.
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 11:43 am
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:42 am to baldona
In some parts of financial services where employees have a base salary and an annual performance bonus, the employer will issue a compensation statement every year, and you can use that. But that is typically at the mid to senior levels.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:43 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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A person could claim to be the GOAT sales person making $1M a year in commissions. New company is going to want to verify that.
Then they should interview better, talk with my references a bit more, but I ain’t giving them shite. If they have better candidates, then don’t give me an offer. If they want to offer me their low-end for the job, then so be it and find out if I take that offer.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:44 am to Jobu93
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If checking employment gaps, just provide them with redacted earnings.
This. I had to do it for my current job.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:47 am to brucevilanch
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This. I had to do it for my current job
I have been with the same company (group of people through 2 acquisitions) since graduating from UGA. They can ask my HR about my employment history if they have questions. I have references from customers and manufacturers and coworkers.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:47 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I was in sales years ago. Best sales job I interviewed for back then already made the offer. Salary and commission confirmed. They wanted to see the last 3 years of the first 2 pages of my tax returns to verify I was good and a solid producer in the industry (banking) along with the standard background check.
And there is no way to do this without giving over personal financial info? They don’t need to know any type of arrangement an employee has with another employer. They are gaining much more info than just seeing if they were productive.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:47 am to IT_Dawg
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Then they should interview better, talk with my references a bit more, but I ain’t giving them shite. If they have better candidates, then don’t give me an offer. If they want to offer me their low-end for the job, then so be it and find out if I take that offer.
Have you interviewed anywhere else recently?
I mean, it would suck to turn down this job because of this and then go to a competitor and have them ask the same. Could be more an industry thing than you think, this thread makes it seem not that abnormal.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:47 am to IT_Dawg
Are you paid commission at your current job?
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:48 am to IT_Dawg
You wont get the job then. I did not provide the returns and that was that, we both moved on.
I had only been in sales for 2 years and the first year didnt make a lot, second year about 90k. They wanted 3 years though. I said nope, cant do it, last year was my first good year, they said ok, no job and we both moved along.
Be prepared for that to happen.
I had only been in sales for 2 years and the first year didnt make a lot, second year about 90k. They wanted 3 years though. I said nope, cant do it, last year was my first good year, they said ok, no job and we both moved along.
Be prepared for that to happen.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:51 am to IT_Dawg
Dear Hiring Manager,
I suggest you extend an offer based on the value I've proved I can provide to your organization throughout the interview process, versus attempting to determine how much of an increase I deserve from my previous roles.
If I'm selling you something, should I base your price upon the previous prices you've received from my competitors, or should I bid the best price for the business in accordance with my strategy?
I suggest you extend an offer based on the value I've proved I can provide to your organization throughout the interview process, versus attempting to determine how much of an increase I deserve from my previous roles.
If I'm selling you something, should I base your price upon the previous prices you've received from my competitors, or should I bid the best price for the business in accordance with my strategy?
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:54 am to baldona
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Have you interviewed anywhere else recently? I mean, it would suck to turn down this job because of this and then go to a competitor and have them ask the same. Could be more an industry thing than you think, this thread makes it seem not that abnormal.
Nope, my first interview in 15 years. Again, I had to write up my resume just for this opportunity that someone brought to me. I will stay at my existing company and continue to do what I do if they don’t want to make me an offer because I don’t give them my numbers. If they don’t believe me, how trustworthy will the relationship truly be? Even if I told them I was making $1M a year, and that was false, if they want me based on the 5 week interview process, offer me the lowest you are willing or don’t offer me.
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