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Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:48 am to 50_Tiger
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This is essentially the government bribing the constituency to have kids.
How will the country continue and where will the government's money come from? The government wants more educated taxpayers. You're arguement really has no end game here and nobody is going to change their mind so this is really pointless.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:48 am to The Mick
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Here's the new tax brackets in case you're wondering.
Keeping more of your earnings can kill you, or so I'm told.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 8:49 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:49 am to 50_Tiger
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This is essentially the government bribing the constituency to have kids.
this is the government bribing people to get married, get a mortgage, become stable citizens, etc
a stable society is important, it makes predictions and forecasting the future easier
now the EITC being expanded? that is the government bribing low income people to have more kids, and that is something I do not like about this tax bill
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:49 am to civiltiger07
quote:The standard deduction is actually doubling I believe. I'm not sure how itemized deductions will be handled.
However people that had a bunch of write offs might not see a reduction
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:49 am to Bluefin
This tax bill has already killed 2 of my family members. I don't know how much longer I'll make it...
—-You’ll probably die on Friday, when the gov’t “shuts down”. Hurry and apply for a free govt funeral
—-You’ll probably die on Friday, when the gov’t “shuts down”. Hurry and apply for a free govt funeral
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:49 am to GaryMyMan
Insurance should be catastrophic only. It's stupid to pay ungodly premiums for services you don't use.
Regular doctor visits should be out of pocket. It's cheaper, quicker, and easier for both the doctor and patient to deal in cash at the time of service. Save insurance for major events and hospitalizations.
Regular doctor visits should be out of pocket. It's cheaper, quicker, and easier for both the doctor and patient to deal in cash at the time of service. Save insurance for major events and hospitalizations.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:49 am to Dire Wolf
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This right here is a load of shite for students
Scope is saying it got cut from the bill. I sincerely hope so.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:50 am to GaryMyMan
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My "very fuzzy" math comes from that Librullll outpost Consumer Reports. LINK
I can find you plenty of reports that disagree with that. Every single one of these "reports" are partisan and have biases one way or the other.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:50 am to stout
You mean add more debt that they bitched at Obama for 8 years about? This is just another hand out for the wealthy. Lulz at anyone who thinks corporations will do anything with that money they get back except in some rare we suck so let's get good Press cases.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:50 am to The Mick
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The standard deduction is actually doubling I believe. I'm not sure how itemized deductions will be handled.
You can still itemize but far fewer people will need to.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:51 am to TJGator1215
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This is just another hand out for the wealthy
It must suck to be so miserable and narrow minded
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:52 am to Salmon
Government bribing people to get married, get a mortgage,....
—-replace bribing with incentivizing.
—-replace bribing with incentivizing.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:52 am to GEAUXT
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Insurance should be catastrophic only. It's stupid to pay ungodly premiums for services you don't use.
Regular doctor visits should be out of pocket. It's cheaper, quicker, and easier for both the doctor and patient to deal in cash at the time of service. Save insurance for major events and hospitalizations.
Eh. Insurance has done me a solid when it comes to a chronic condition (endometriosis) that can have complications like webbing to my vital organs. Hardly "catastrophic", but enough that I certainly couldn't afford the surgery I had out of pocket plus regular visits to a specialist.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:52 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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How will the country continue and where will the government's money come from? The government wants more educated taxpayers. You're arguement really has no end game here and nobody is going to change their mind so this is really pointless.
My argument is fairly simple.
People who have kids, shouldn't get tax credits for them.
Kids produce zero GDP for at least 15 years and it's not a given they actually produce thereafter.
It's not a preposterous idea to want to be taxed equally.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:53 am to TJGator1215
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You mean add more debt that they bitched at Obama for 8 years about? This is just another hand out for the wealthy. Lulz at anyone who thinks corporations will do anything with that money they get back except in some rare we suck so let's get good Press cases.
But cutting the corporate rate you give individuals a decent facto cut because coroors earnings are double taxed when distributed to shareholders. That is before factoring in any increased speeding by corps from having more cash.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:53 am to TJGator1215
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You mean add more debt that they bitched at Obama for 8 years about?
tax breaks don't add to the debt
spending adds to the debt
we will see if we have spending cuts coming, although I have my doubts
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 8:54 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:55 am to TJGator1215
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Lulz at anyone who thinks corporations will do anything with that money they get back except in some rare we suck so let's get good Press cases.
Yea I bet At&t wont hand out $1k bonuses to 200,000 employees. Comcast and Beoing won't do the same either. And 2 of the largest banks in America definitely won't raise their minimum wage to $15. None of that will happen. I'm sure of it
Why do you hate that nearly all Americans will get to keep more of the money THEY EARN AT THEIR JOBS?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:55 am to 50_Tiger
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My argument is fairly simple.
People who have kids, shouldn't get tax credits for them.
Kids produce zero GDP for at least 15 years and it's not a given they actually produce thereafter.
It's not a preposterous idea to want to be taxed equally.
My point is if that happened your taxes would just go up because the government would have to provide services to more people. Families can't afford to pay at the rate you do. More families would get government assistance and spend less so it just wouldn't work.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:58 am to BluegrassBelle
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Eh. Insurance has done me a solid when it comes to a chronic condition (endometriosis) that can have complications like webbing to my vital organs. Hardly "catastrophic", but enough that I certainly couldn't afford the surgery I had out of pocket plus regular visits to a specialist.
Well obviously nothing works for everyone. However, this is where HSAs come in. If most people could take all the money they've thrown away in premiums and put it in an HSA they'd have a sizeable chunk of change.
Certainly there are some folks who require greater medical resources, but paying for that burden shouldn't fall on the backs of healthy individuals who do not use any of the services they're required to pay so much for.
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