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re: Helene - Recovery Begins...Devastating Flash Flooding in Western NC and Eastern TN
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:43 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:43 pm to CitizenK
From videos of people who had survived Hurricane Audrey in 1957, the two most important tools to have were an axe and rope, a handsaw was also handy to have. Chopping holes into the floor of homes on piers kept the houses from floating away in many, not all cases
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 8:47 am to CitizenK
If you've not seen it, Cleetus McFarland took his helicopter to help with the rescue. Dale Jr's Dirty Mo's Media interviewed him about it. It's a must watch.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 4:43 pm to loogaroo
"They marked over 100 bodies".
Who is this woman with this information?
Creibility? Sounds like some lady passing along a rumor that "my friend heard that..."
BTW - is she a professional in the rescue area? Like a firefghter? What ambulance corps or hospital does she work in? They would have accurate numbers.
Who is this woman with this information?
Creibility? Sounds like some lady passing along a rumor that "my friend heard that..."
BTW - is she a professional in the rescue area? Like a firefghter? What ambulance corps or hospital does she work in? They would have accurate numbers.
This post was edited on 10/8/24 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 10/8/24 at 6:18 pm to Eurocat
quote:
"They marked over 100 bodies".
Who is this woman with this information?
Creibility? Sounds like some lady passing along a rumor that "my friend heard that..."
The highest death total in a single county is in the 70s. Some people are still saying "thousands" are dead.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 11:17 pm to AwgustaDawg
quote:Nope. If it was the millions who live on the dole wouldn't be able to maintain it.
what living on the dole requires....a fricking shite ton of red tape and constant action on the part of the recipient to navigate that red tape
Posted on 10/8/24 at 11:29 pm to Jake88
quote:
Nope. If it was the millions who live on the dole wouldn't be able to maintain it.
You would be surprised at how many are actual near "professionals" when it comes to assistance questions. There are also people within the community that act as counselors that guide them for a modest under the table fee. Did you know that non-attorney representatives can handle Social Security Disability cases and EDPNA's can get paid? Those people are often the go-to for a vast array of benefit information kinda like the in-person version of the How To Get Free Money From The Government book that used to be advertised on TV.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 6:33 am to Eurocat
quote:
"They marked over 100 bodies".
Who is this woman with this information?
Creibility? Sounds like some lady passing along a rumor that "my friend heard that..."
BTW - is she a professional in the rescue area? Like a firefghter? What ambulance corps or hospital does she work in? They would have accurate numbers.
She is probably misinterpreting what it is. We marked numerous areas for further investigation due to signs of a possible body in the area (smells, flies, etc.), and we needed larger equipment. In some cases, we marked numerous spots, so I'm guessing she interpreted that as S&R finding actual bodies, or she could just be speaking out her arse.
Truthfully, having been on the ground here for the last ten days or so, I'm not sure we will ever know the actual body count for some time. A lot of earth and water were moved, and I'm pretty confident people have been moved a significant distance in the waters and/or buried.
There is a lot of damage here, but I think what is keeping the death toll low is the rural nature of the area, but that is also what is hindering recovery. Where there is only one or two roads in/out and both are gone, rescue/recovery efforts are limited.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 7:56 am to Obtuse1
I was responding to a poster who suggested that it was a great deal of work to get on and maintain the dole. I suggested it wasn't that difficult. You post supports what I said but in greater detail. There are those who help them manipulate the system. I know social security disability denies most first time claims but there are people, attorneys included who will help them bullshite their way into a check.
I recall Matthew Lesko too.
Now I'm not clear if you were arguing against me or with me.
I recall Matthew Lesko too.
Now I'm not clear if you were arguing against me or with me.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 7:59 am to Obtuse1
quote:
You would be surprised at how many are actual near "professionals" when it comes to assistance questions. There are also people within the community that act as counselors that guide them for a modest under the table fee. Did you know that non-attorney representatives can handle Social Security Disability cases and EDPNA's can get paid? Those people are often the go-to for a vast array of benefit information kinda like the in-person version of the How To Get Free Money From The Government book that used to be advertised on TV.
Interesting in the late 90's went to check on a duck lease south of Lake Charles after a tropical depression came through. There was a Cameron Parish official where I crossed into the pasture to get to our homemade boat launch. I spoke with him as we watch CLEAR water flowing from the surrounding pastures into the drainage canal. He said they were going to get Federal money for all the lost topsoil eroding away. Local government officials know about "free" money. I just shook my head and went to check on my duck blind.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 11:23 am to CitizenK
Posted on 10/9/24 at 11:53 am to Jim Rockford
shite. That come out of nowhere and fast.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 1:47 pm to brass2mouth
quote:
There is a lot of damage here, but I think what is keeping the death toll low is the rural nature of the area, but that is also what is hindering recovery.
From some firsthand reports, (guess it's 3rd hand if it's coming from me) true death toll hasn't been updated and is still unknown. Crews are flagging bodies as they are doing clean up and moving on to get things done.
This post was edited on 10/9/24 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/9/24 at 1:55 pm to BugAC
quote:
From some firsthand reports, (guess it's 3rd hand if it's coming from me) true death toll hasn't been updated and is still unknown. Crews are flagging bodies as they are doing clean up and moving on to get things done.
Not true. If a body is found all work there stops until it is taken care of. That is different if signs are found though. If crews encounter signs/smalls they can call it in and a search and recovery team will come, but they can work around if they wish.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 2:00 pm to Eurocat
Did you question when they said they were stacking bodies like firewood during covid?
Or did you put your mask on and get your boosters?
Or did you put your mask on and get your boosters?
Posted on 10/9/24 at 3:32 pm to brass2mouth
Stepdaughter lives in Marshall. She told us that it looks like a war zone there. No water until December and Asheville is on curfew 7:30 to 7:30.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 3:56 pm to BFIV
It's day 12, and my sister living near Asheville still doesn't have electricity or running water. She says it could be weeks for both because some of the infrastructure will have to be rebuilt.
Out of state utility workers were able to clear the road enough to get the fuel truck up the mountain to refuel tanks for generators & stoves. They're still in survival mode, and yes, it still looks like a war zone around her house.
Out of state utility workers were able to clear the road enough to get the fuel truck up the mountain to refuel tanks for generators & stoves. They're still in survival mode, and yes, it still looks like a war zone around her house.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 4:07 pm to BFIV
quote:
Stepdaughter lives in Marshall. She told us that it looks like a war zone there. No water until December and Asheville is on curfew 7:30 to 7:30.
Marshall is one of the places that got hammered, not completely scoured from the earth like Chimney Rock but while some businesses were (I am sure the island didn't fair well) all the buildings near town are covered in a massive blanket of mud inside and out.
Asheville announced today the curfew will change on Thursday and go to 11pm to 6am.
There was a looting arrest in Asheville last night. Likely not the first but the first one I have seen reported.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 4:17 pm to Carolhdg
quote:
They're still in survival mode, and yes, it still looks like a war zone around her house.
Our daughter just got power two days ago. No water to bathe or drink until December at the earliest. She and the other tenants are using the pool water to flush toilets. She is coming to our house this weekend with all her dirty laundry and be able to take a luxury hot shower. I told her to save all the gallon containers and jugs she could gather and take them back home filled with water. What would normally be a 90 minute drive from there to here is now taking close to 4 hours. At least the old highway (U.S. 23) through Sam's Gap is open but that old road is horrible. At least it is a way in and out while I-26 bridge is being replaced. That alone will take a year to complete. Folks across the country really do not understand the damage there. Bodies are still being found with many, many others are still missing.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 4:34 pm to BFIV
I've driven the road between Elk Park NC and Elizabethton, TN hundreds of times.
This post was edited on 10/9/24 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/9/24 at 4:41 pm to BFIV
Glad your daughter has power back.
That said, without potable water, why are people still living there? Katrina response had its issues, but the suckiest, but best thing they did was not allow people in New Orleans to move back to areas of the City where they didn't have potable water, and have the national guard patrol those areas. I get much of Western NC is more rural, but still.
That said, without potable water, why are people still living there? Katrina response had its issues, but the suckiest, but best thing they did was not allow people in New Orleans to move back to areas of the City where they didn't have potable water, and have the national guard patrol those areas. I get much of Western NC is more rural, but still.
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