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re: Heart attack deaths have soared in all age groups since start of the pandemic
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:53 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:53 pm to lsupride87
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But one would think if it was the vaccine, the young age group would have the lowest rate of rise since they are the least vaccinated, not the highest rate of rise
Has someone given this guy a lesson on percentages yet?
ETA: I’m suggesting that young people don’t typically die from heart attacks.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 8:59 pm
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:54 pm to lsupride87
30% increase in age group 25-44. Of which at least 84% of that age group are vaxxed according to the CDC in October of 2022.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:59 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
What did you digress from? 
Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:03 pm to OceanMan
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I’m suggesting that young people don’t typically die from heart attacks.
My theory is that there are a lot of folks regretting their decision to vax their kids so they're looking for something other than that they likely made a big mistake.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:25 pm to Ross
I don't know of a single person who altered their lifestyle to a great degree during the Chinese Flu farce. Trying to blame increased heart attacks on increased obesity is stretching it - or purposely avoiding admitting what you know is the real cause.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:37 pm to Jim Rockford
Don’t be a shill
Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:42 pm to Gifman
Same here
Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:48 pm to Steadyhands
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I'm sure someone is looking at the data to determine this, but is it being reported? This shite isn't that hard to figure out if you're in a position with the right data. It should be analyzed for every possible cause until things are ruled out. Check data for everyone that dies from a heart attack for vaccination, having had covid, etc. What stands out as the most common?
Not possible. Vaccination data is straightforward. Covid infection is only reported if a person experiences serious enough symptoms to seek medical attention.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:53 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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I don't know of a single person who altered their lifestyle to a great degree during the Chinese Flu farce. Trying to blame increased heart attacks on increased obesity is stretching it - or purposely avoiding admitting what you know is the real cause.
Covid?
Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:57 pm to Eli Goldfinger
quote:Certainly something with some numbers behind it. I too think increased stress and more sedentary lifestyles along with increased vasculitis which is a hallmark of the disease. I also think more drugs are being used which doesn't help either.
Stevia
We are also possibly catching more "minor" heart attacks. My father apparently had a heart attack a few years ago and didn't realize until a stress test last year showed an abnormal ECG which let to further testing which showed his heart had already dealt with it on its own. Oh, just saw the 'deaths" part in the title.
Also, people state the increase in heart attacks in younger- what is the percentage increase in obesity in that age group?
One other thing, the US medical care system has been jammed up leading to longer waits and likely poorer care which could certainly mean increased deaths as well.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:39 pm to lsupride87
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I mean the data is out there. Those under 40 are less vaccinated than those over 40
If the vaccine was the cause for rise in heart attacks, I would naturally expect the rate of rise to be higher n the group more vaccinated.
The variable you are missing is that heart attacks are not evenly distributed amongst age groups. In fact they are really lopsided towards old people so an increase in totals is not going to move the percentage meter much for old folks but it's going to produce a much more drastic shift for younger folks.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:40 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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His name was damar hamlin
minorities hit hardest
Posted on 2/27/23 at 11:09 pm to RollTide1987
quote:So it coincides with when Covid hit and not 1 year later when the vaccine was released?
Heart attack deaths have soared in all age groups since start of the pandemic
Posted on 2/27/23 at 11:37 pm to lsupride87
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if vaccine was the cause, I would naturally expect higher rise in group more vaccinated
That's discounting the possible physiological mechanism.
Perhaps it's immune related as in stronger immune response, greater heart inflammation etc. There could be reasons younger getting killed at higher rates.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:47 am to shel311
quote:Yeh nobody actually read the study. The increase started in 2020, before the release of the vaccines.
So it coincides with when Covid hit and not 1 year later when the vaccine was released?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:06 am to lsupride87
All deaths post Covid outbreak are as a result of:
1. COVID itself
2. Covid Vaccine
There are no other possibilities.
1. COVID itself
2. Covid Vaccine
There are no other possibilities.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:10 am to AUFANATL
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The variable you are missing is that heart attacks are not evenly distributed amongst age groups. In fact they are really lopsided towards old people so an increase in totals is not going to move the percentage meter much for old folks but it's going to produce a much more drastic shift for younger folks.
Yeah How has this got not gotten blasted for not understanding math? There is no consideration to the base of the percentage change in his comments. Young people don’t typically get heart attacks, the fact that there is such a large increase in the youngest groups should support the correlations of smaller Percentage increases in the older groups.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:10 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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quote:
intuition says COVID causes some sort of lasting heart issue but I can’t escape the feeling that obesity and unhealthy lifestyles has skyrocketed dramatically in the last three years which isn’t going to help cardiovascular issues
How dare you bring critical thinking and common sense to the OT.
You don't clog arteries with fat in 3 years. It takes decades for atherosclerosis to occur. A rapid onset of blockage in a vessel is a clot.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:15 am to RollTide1987
Maybe Pfizer can manufactur a heart attack vaccine next!
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 7:20 am
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:17 am to lsupride87
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I mean the data is out there. Those under 40 are less vaccinated than those over 40 If the vaccine was the cause for rise in heart attacks, I would naturally expect the rate of rise to be higher n the group more vaccinated. This shows the opposite.
I really don’t have an opinion one way or another right now, but this logic is just dumb. Here is the math explaining why. Pulling these numbers out my arse but it’s just a math problem to explain your faulty logic. You can apply any numbers you want and the result is the same.
10 in 100,000 “young” die of heart attack
100 in 100,000 “old” die of heart attack
Of those 100,000 let’s say 80,000k in the old group get vaccinated and only 30,000k in the young group get vaccinated.
The 80k vaccinations lead to 20 more deaths in the old group, bumping it up 20% to 120 per 100k. So 20 in 80000 is an incidence rate of something like 0.025%.
The 30k vaccinations in the young group lead to 7.5 more deaths with the same incidence rate applied. That is a 75% increase in the young group to 17.5 in 100,000.
Even though they got vaccinated at a rate of less than half that of the older group, the same incidence rate leads to a much higher percentage jump, 75% vs 20%, because they were already way lower and less likely to have a heart attack to begin with.
I have a strong feeling you didn’t graduate in any sort of math related major.
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