re: Have women bitten off more than they can chew w/(family courts/marriage/divorce)

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If there are a number of women out there who are delusional, let them be.

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This isn’t a small number, as seen by the fact that, for the first time ever, the percentage of women in prime childbearing age that are married has fallen below 50%.

In the next decade, that number will grow. Marriage and the nuclear family are dying.

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Can we not agree that the women who want refined men and men who are "undesirable" both might need to shape up? If that's the scenario, most of us here are men. Maybe we should be explaining to men that all you can do is be the best version of yourself. Blaming women, while maybe it feels good and maybe even you're right, does nothing to solve the problem.

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There are truths to bettering yourself and there are very popular movements built around that that have started.

There are not equivocal movements for women.

Every woman is told they are a queen, boss babe, etc., inflating egos to the point of delusion.

Every woman sees themselves as a 10 and views the majority of men as <5. I always liked those graphs from OkCupid.



That isn’t even remotely realistic. 80% of men are viewed as below average.

That view has likely worsened over the years with dating apps and social media.

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Aren't we trying to solve a problem? Or are we just bitching?

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There is no solving the problem right now, but it will come to a head because there are two growing groups:

1. Unmarried women in their 30s/40s who won’t find a partner.

2. Jaded, unmarried, lonely men.

The course we are on will make for an interesting next decade.

Macro-economic trends tend to be the aggregate of billions of micro-economic decisions. The more people who take care of what they’re supposed to be doing, the healthier the societal trends will be overall.

The reality is we are trending towards something very very bad from an economic and demographic standpoint, but the U.S. is actually less bad off than most of the rest of the developed world.

If I could go back to my teen-age and early 20s self, I would tell me not to marry any woman who was willing to sleep with me before marriage. I would also tell young me to read and live by books such as "Christian Dating in a Godless World" by Fr. T.G. Morrow.

Even marrying what I thought was a "decent" catholic girl turned out to be a huge mistake in the end. Not because of her or me, but because we dated the "wrong" way and crippled our union from the start. Not to mention she came from crazy stock and her family of origin had huge issues that should have been warning flags I chose to ignore.

It also CHANGES their sex drive and what they are attracted to.

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It would have to be a large percentage to have any merit and its not.

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I think the average in colleges is literally approaching 60-40 these days. Undergrad. I think it gets worse in post-grad.

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Not because of her or me, but because we dated the "wrong" way and crippled our union from the start. Not to mention she came from crazy stock and her family of origin had huge issues that should have been warning flags I chose to ignore.

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I love how the blame always shifts one way in you divorced baws.

You were probably perfect.

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A woman that is a 10, while she has damn near any man she wishes, will only have sex with men equal or above her. This is most always the case. Period.

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The dysfunction arises from the fact that many average women view themselves as 10s, while average men still view themselves as average.

Now you have a situation where the average male, who in the past would date average females, no longer can do that.

Their dating pool views them as less then.

It’s a crazy situation.

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I think the average in colleges is literally approaching 60-40 these days. Undergrad. I think it gets worse in post-grad.

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A lot of women who will never marry and will blame men for that.

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If you believe a 35 year old bachelor, especially one that has a career, is screwed, you are in for a world of hurt. That’s a man in his “dating prime”. 20-27 year olds throw themselves at these guys for money and stability That’s what women don’t understand - men get, overall more attractive as they age, so they are going to want a women their age at 35 when they can easily find a more suitable 27 year old…leaving the 35 year old former tattooed up whores drinking wine wondering where all the “good men” are. News flash…they were in front of them ALL along, they were “just friends” or “not good enough”

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This. I’m married and 29 but probably 2/3 of my close friends are still single. Younger girls are still very easy to get for them. Focus on your career, get in shape, be a decent person, go to church and you’ll find someone easily without settling for the excessive baggage divorcee or baby mama. Men have time to figure it out. They can have kids at 35+ and be just fine in life.

ETA: not all divorcees have excessive baggage just making a point that you don’t have to settle.

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That is fricking wild.

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It makes social sense.

In the pre-social media age, people only dated what they knew and what they could get. The pool was smaller.

With the advent of dating apps and social media, women were given more options and began to believe that they are more desirable than they truly are, secondary to the amount of attention given to them, inflating their egos.

This is played on by a certain subset of men, or at least the “best” group that that woman could obtain.

What we are seeing now is that that elevation of ego has resulted in an inability of even average women to view average men as acceptable relationship stock.

Horrible analogy, but if you fly first class consistently during your 20s, coach and even business class look far beneath you.