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re: Half ton to 3/4 or full ton pick up
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:10 pm to fishfighter
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:10 pm to fishfighter
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That is one big reason to buy a dodge with a real diesel, Cummins engine. Still running a 2004, 5.9L that has 225K. Never been in the shop.
Oh, still getting 22.3mpg if I drive 45 or 85.
You are correct. I have never owned a diesel.
What do you do with your diesel? What do you typically haul? As I understand with the Dodges, the transmission is the weak link. Likely an issue for guys towing tractors around from job to job regularly, which I won't be doing.
Outside of the maintenance, the $10k additional price tag is more than I care to pay. Like I said, I'd be hauling 1-2% of the time, which is nothing concerning as far as fuel mileage. And the additional fuel mileage is quite often offset by the higher expense of diesel. It swings, but it's normally more expensive than gas in my area.
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Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:16 pm to fishfighter
I've got the same (1 ton flatbed with rowing stick, aka hand shaker, in the floor) that's about to roll over to half a million.
It pretty much keeps 8 to 30k pounds behind it. 22mpg empty at 70, 18 mpg with 15,000 pounds behind it at 70. Not a month goes by where I don't get unsolicited offers to buy it from guys who search to the corners of the earth for such a setup.
Btw, not knocking F150's, but aint no F150 pulling 13k around even on a semi-regular basis and doing it with the drivetrain (or you) in 1 piece. Can it do it? I'm sure. SHOULD it do it? Not on my wallet.
It pretty much keeps 8 to 30k pounds behind it. 22mpg empty at 70, 18 mpg with 15,000 pounds behind it at 70. Not a month goes by where I don't get unsolicited offers to buy it from guys who search to the corners of the earth for such a setup.
Btw, not knocking F150's, but aint no F150 pulling 13k around even on a semi-regular basis and doing it with the drivetrain (or you) in 1 piece. Can it do it? I'm sure. SHOULD it do it? Not on my wallet.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:17 pm to jimbeam
Not directly.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:18 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Dont get a diesel if you dont need one unless you have lots of disposable income
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:23 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Get the standard transmission and you take the universally weak link of an auto trans out of the equation altogether. Put in a south bend clutch to mitigate for the weakest link of the standard trans, and profit.
And don't 'nobody' gimme this chit about "allison this, Ford that," there's a reason why people who gotta really haul chit almost exclusively use standard shift transmissions. When you're really hauling a real load, you're not driving, your operating (should be true 100% of the time), and a standard shift allows the operator to command the machine as he sees fit.
And don't 'nobody' gimme this chit about "allison this, Ford that," there's a reason why people who gotta really haul chit almost exclusively use standard shift transmissions. When you're really hauling a real load, you're not driving, your operating (should be true 100% of the time), and a standard shift allows the operator to command the machine as he sees fit.
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:40 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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Problem with Diesels IMO is they are a $10k'ish option, and personally, I'd use it 1 or 2% of the time for towing, and the rest would be daily driving. Add to that the fuel emissions (which I think can get deleted now) and higher maintenance expense, I can't really justify the diesel. Although the baw factor is appealing.
The maintenance is somewhat higher, but when you hit 200-300k miles, taking extremely great care of both vehicles.... you're going to to have to get a new gas burner. The diesel is maybe halfway through it's life at this point.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:43 pm to Bigbee Hills
I think dodge is the only one still offering a standard transmission.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:48 pm to GREENHEAD22
Shame
Posted on 4/23/19 at 2:45 pm to jimbeam
Shame indeed. And you have to hunt pretty good to find a manual Dodge.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 2:49 pm to GREENHEAD22
It is, and to the best of my knowledge they're supposed to be phasing them out. Here's the thing, if towing is high on a fellows list he'd better damned well take into account not just the engine, but the reputation of that concept that allows that energy to be converted in mechanical forward motion at various stages of gearing; because all else being equal, that is the weakest link in most towing scenarios. Again, this assumes towing is a big factor.
Once dodge phases out standard transmissions, I believe serviceable standard shift cummins pickups will become even more highly sought after by the niche crowd (albeit a large and important niche) who relies on that setup, and then, at a minimum, dodge will have the conversation about bringing standard trannies back once the faction of individuals who rely on it say, "No bueno." to autos. At best they will bring it back.
Me? I'll search for serviceable 6 wheelers like we have, or deal with the added op expense of bigger, say, 8 or 10 wheelers, outfitted with a cummins and standard trans. I will afford those extra expenses spread out over time, but I refuse to afford for expenses that crop up in the acute, chronic and repetitive form of shot transmissions that will arise when an auto truck is used for daily, heavy-duty commercial hauling. You need the simplicity and control that a standard shift transmission affords when pulling incredibly heavy loads every day, you just do.
Want to pull anything you have any business desiring to tow? Buy a 1 ton. Want to pull most any average thing you want? Buy 3/4 ton. Want to tow your loafer wearing arse to Starbucks? Buy a Honda Ridgeline.
Want to dredge up p*ssy like Forest Gump on a shrimp boat? Buy a standard transmission.
Once dodge phases out standard transmissions, I believe serviceable standard shift cummins pickups will become even more highly sought after by the niche crowd (albeit a large and important niche) who relies on that setup, and then, at a minimum, dodge will have the conversation about bringing standard trannies back once the faction of individuals who rely on it say, "No bueno." to autos. At best they will bring it back.
Me? I'll search for serviceable 6 wheelers like we have, or deal with the added op expense of bigger, say, 8 or 10 wheelers, outfitted with a cummins and standard trans. I will afford those extra expenses spread out over time, but I refuse to afford for expenses that crop up in the acute, chronic and repetitive form of shot transmissions that will arise when an auto truck is used for daily, heavy-duty commercial hauling. You need the simplicity and control that a standard shift transmission affords when pulling incredibly heavy loads every day, you just do.
Want to pull anything you have any business desiring to tow? Buy a 1 ton. Want to pull most any average thing you want? Buy 3/4 ton. Want to tow your loafer wearing arse to Starbucks? Buy a Honda Ridgeline.
Want to dredge up p*ssy like Forest Gump on a shrimp boat? Buy a standard transmission.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:02 pm to Steadyhands
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The maintenance is somewhat higher, but when you hit 200-300k miles, taking extremely great care of both vehicles.... you're going to to have to get a new gas burner. The diesel is maybe halfway through it's life at this point.
Maybe, but that diesel is still sitting in a body with 300k miles on it. I wonder what percentage of truck owners actually plan to keep the same truck running forever, even replacing engines and whatnot, to go 500k plus miles. Even more to consider people that aren’t driving long distances that will take 15-20 years or longer to hit 300k.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 4:24 pm to Bigbee Hills
I drove through the Bigbee hills this weekend from BR to Bama. Beautiful country. I was only towing a little pop up camper with my 1/2 ton 5.0..even then I was wishing I had a standard though the Tow mode on the f150 was serviceable for breaking through the hill country.
I plan to purchase a larger bumper pull travel trailer for the occasional camping trip. Tongue weight is at 630 and the dry weight is 6300. My GVWR for the vehicle is 13.5k and I will be about 1k lbs shy of my limit (I'm under on payload of the truck and under for total GVWR) if I toe with my f150, I have had family members who tow with a similar setup and a weight distribution hitch say it is fine. Just take it slow and stay out of the mountains..But I still wonder if it is a good idea to do so.
I plan to purchase a larger bumper pull travel trailer for the occasional camping trip. Tongue weight is at 630 and the dry weight is 6300. My GVWR for the vehicle is 13.5k and I will be about 1k lbs shy of my limit (I'm under on payload of the truck and under for total GVWR) if I toe with my f150, I have had family members who tow with a similar setup and a weight distribution hitch say it is fine. Just take it slow and stay out of the mountains..But I still wonder if it is a good idea to do so.
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 4/23/19 at 4:55 pm to Ron Popeil
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an oil change for my F350 diesel costs $200.00.
WHAT?
Just changed mine a week ago. Oil,12 qts $53 and a $4 filter. I change it out around every 7500 miles.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 5:04 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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What do you do with your diesel?
Used to tow my boats, 30' and 33', tow trailers with a tractor and even tow my backhoe on short trips. That is something I don't care to do. Just the backhoe weight is over 13K.
I have a full 8' bed and I have a truck camper that needs a 8' bed. That camper weight is like 2700lbs. It carries it with no problem, but I also added air bags.
Like I said, it never been in the shop. I had the bug to buy a new one, but after pricing new trucks, screw that. I know this truck will get way over 300K easy.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 5:22 pm to 3morereps
From 1500 Silverado to 2500 HD and no regrets.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 5:42 pm to Bigbee Hills
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Want to dredge up p*ssy like Forest Gump on a shrimp boat? Buy a standard transmission.
Your comments in this post are pure gold and this one right here damn near made me piss meself!
Posted on 4/23/19 at 5:58 pm to 3morereps
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The price difference between the half tons is not that much, and i have always wanted a diesel.
Talk to me after you pay the operating expenses on the diesel. Drove a dually for 12 years. Don’t regret going back to the half ton one bit, as I don’t haul heavy shite anymore
Go get one (diesel) and get it out of your system l. You’ll probably be happy to go back to the half ton.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 6:14 pm to fishfighter
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Oil,12 qts $53 and a $4 filter.
Some people like to run synthetic(as I do) and does not include if you put an additive(rev x) in your oil. If you put a $4 filter on your truck that isn't being smart especially if it is a ford.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 6:28 pm to Bigbee Hills
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Want to dredge up p*ssy like Forest Gump on a shrimp boat? Buy a standard transmission
I’m sure you pulling fat chicks with 2 kids and a failed marriage in your 04 1 ton makes you feel like a badass, but most women outside of bumfrick Mississippi couldn’t care less about your standard transmission 1 ton. FYI.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 6:42 pm to 3morereps
True baws get the largest vehicle possible that is street legal.
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