re: Grizzly vs SW Croc vs Siberian Tiger vs African Lion vs Anaconda

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Grizzly beats a tiger and it isn’t close

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Nope. The tiger is far quicker and has more weapons.

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Yeah, but the tiger could catch the grizzly slipping and latch on to it enough so it will then not be fighting at 100%. Size doesn't do you any good when you can't catch the opponent.

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and we saw that when Boone had the famous bear and lion fight. everytime the lion latched on to the bears neck, the bear "bear hugged" it so tight that eventually the lion would give in and let go. in the fight, the 3rd time the lion did that, he wouldnt let go, eventually he did once the bear squeezed so hard it broke mutliple ribs and caused massive internal bleeding to the point the lion went in the corner and collapsed.


the kodiak bear is the #1 land predator, period. The polar and grizzley are not far behind the tigers and lions can beat them if able to get to their back where they are able to break the bears back. but that is rare.

more times than not the bear is able to crush the cats head pretty easily and even when the cat gets inside the bears thick fur and layers of fat keep the cat from doing serious damage.

silverbacks stand no chance.

this is all been played out before in the 1800s and early 1900 when they used to have these shows.

there is one type of mexican bull smaller grizzleys have problems with, but kodiaks wreck fricking shop.

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silverbacks stand no chance.

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Really? I thought they were some of the strongest animals on the planet.

I've read somewhere a bear's bite could crush a bowling ball, which is almost unimaginable.

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Kodiak
Grizzly
American brown bear

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just reach different sizes

kodiaks can get to 1500lbs


did yall know there has only been one death in alaska in the last 75 years from bears?

for those wondering about kodiak or grizzly against polar

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A fight between a polar bear (ursus maritimus) and a Kodiak bear (ursus arctos mittendorffi) is a human fancy that can never happen in nature. Polar bears are the kings of Arctic ice sheets, while Kodiak bears have been isolated to the Kodiak Archipelago for 12,000 years. Their paths never cross.

There is, however, little doubt how it would play out, because Kodiak bears are a subspecies of the same bear -ursus arctos- that also includes the much smaller grizzly (ursus arctos horribilis). Polar bears are terrified of grizzlies to whom they always give up their kill or carrion, even if it is one grizzly and several polar bears. If a 1,500 pound polar bear flees from an 800 pound grizzly, it sure will not stay to fight a 1,200 pound Kodiak bear, which is just about identical to a grizzly, except much bigger and proportionally stronger.

Some pundits have theorized that polar bears being more intelligent than grizzlies, flee because they are aware that a serious injury would make them incapable of sustaining themselves. In fact, in the Western Hemisphere, the brown bears, not the polar bears, have the highest brain to body ratio for animals their size, and are arguably the most intelligent animals here. The polar bear descended from brown bears less than 500,000 years ago, and due to having fewer complications in feeding itself, has lost a bit of the intelligence of the ancestral brown bear. Besides, it hardly takes mental brilliance to know what one can take on, and what is too dangerous.

At first glance it seems that polar bears should dominate brown bears, because they are bigger. A deeper examination of the facts sheds more light on the question. A polar bear may not have much of a physical disadvantage over a Kodiak bear for the following reasons:

Brown bears have the strongest forelimbs of any terrestrial predator. The humps over their backs are part of the scapular muscles that operate these powerful tools.
Polar bear claws are primarily three inch cleats for good footing on ice. Grizzly claws are 4 to 6 inches long and much thicker. They are effortlessly used to dig huge holes in the ground, and can inflict far more damage than polar bear claws.
Polar bears hunt two small seals almost exclusively, while grizzlies kill full grown elk, reindeer, musk oxen, and moose, and fend off bison while killing their juveniles, and calves.
Brown bears match polar bears in the size of their canines and in bite force (1,200 pounds per square inch), but are more robustly built.
Polar bears have no competing species in their habitat, while grizzlies fight for and take the kill of wolves and cougars, not to mention smaller predators. Some of the big brown bears of Northeast Asia follow Siberian tigers to steal their kills.
Perhaps all this is not enough to overcome the strength that accrues to sheer body mass, but there is one final factor that is the brown bear’s trump card; stamina. Polar bears have great stamina swimming in icy waters, but on land, even in the most frigid places, they quickly overheat, due to their superb insulation conferred by their thick fur and layers of fat. Since a polar bear could not overcome a grizzly with a few quick tilts, it realizes it cannot win against such a creature. Its victory would be undermined by collapsing from overheating.
If the contest between polar bear and Kodiak bear could occur, the polar bear would flee even more urgently than it does from grizzlies. The Kodiak bear is almost the same size as the polar bear, stronger, and has far better stamina on land. The polar bear cannot afford this losing battle, therefore would retreat to save itself.

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They are the same thing.

Kodiak
Grizzly
American brown bear

All Ursus arctos horribilis

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Kodiaks are Ursus arctos middendorffi.

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Some of the big brown bears of Northeast Asia follow Siberian tigers to steal their kills.

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Really? I thought they were some of the strongest animals on the planet.

I've read somewhere a bear's bite could crush a bowling ball, which is almost unimaginable.

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apparently. the gold miners of north cali used to host pit fights. they would import animals from all over to fight the coastal cali grizzley aka the bruin bear.

that included lions, tigers, silverbacks, all the other big cats etc.....bear decimated all.

many times to make it closer and make it last longer, they would chain the grizzly up.

not dont get me wrong, the tigers and lions won sometimes but not in the pit fights. they happened when in the open and the cat could somehow get to the bears back and break it, but that is a rarity and most of the time the bear wins.

now tigers do routinly kill brown bears and brown bear rarely kill tigers, atleast in russia.

but

The largest recorded size of a Kodiak bear is 1656 lbs, whereas it's an estimated 857 for the Siberia tiger in the wild. thats a huge difference. Largest silverback is under 600 lbs. Largest lion...690lbs.

the size difference and the thickness of the kodiaks hide/fat makes for a bad matchup against pretty much any land animal


but there was a Mexican bull named Panthera from the famous Las Cruces ranch that killed both a grizzley and a ~550lbs lion owned by Boone. the lion had killed two people and was the lion in the famous bear vs lion fight.

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hippo's frick big cats up, again due to their 3 in thick skin.

but a grizley/kodiak have claws up to 6"

1 on 1 hippo might only be second to a kodiak. impossible for a lion to kill a hippio 1 on 1.

as far lion vs tiger...depends on the individual animals and where the fight is taking place. in a pit like they did in cali...prolly the tiger due to size

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one thing people dont understand is tigers cant fight that long. if they use extreme amounts of energy in a short time period...they faint and start blacking out. they do this much sooner than lions or bears.

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1 on 1 hippo might only be second to a kodiak

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They are both second to an elephant.