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re: GM: No more gas or diesel cars or SUVs by 2035; Silverado and Yukons going electric too
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:23 pm to The Implication
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:23 pm to The Implication
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It only takes you 5 minutes to fill your vehicle vs a 1hr + full charge at a supercharging station
Is charging technology not going to improve by 2035?
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Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:28 pm to The Boat
Invest in roadside diners. With 1hr charge times, they're about to come roaring back!
Posted on 1/29/21 at 12:24 am to tigeraddict
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the US electric grid cant support an all electric vehicle fleet..... already, when they get peak load, they have to switch to coal burning production.....
They can do like many places in Europe, have diesel generators powering charging stations!
Posted on 1/29/21 at 1:28 am to Twenty 49
guess they're not bringing the Avalanche back :(
Posted on 1/29/21 at 3:25 am to jamiegla1
Present day they still get it from fossil fuel, but the answer is staring them in the face. Fuel cell technology...hydrogen.
Learn to separate it from seawater...what comes out of the tailpipes of fuel cell vehicles...anyone?
Potable water
Learn to separate it from seawater...what comes out of the tailpipes of fuel cell vehicles...anyone?
Potable water
Posted on 1/29/21 at 6:36 am to antibarner
Won't happen. They are already having problems finding enough of the natural elements to make the batteries now
Posted on 1/29/21 at 7:02 am to shel311
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Obvious to each his own, but if I'm driving alone, it's everything as quickly as possible. When you have 2 young kids, we'll always stop to eat once, so that alone is going to take 30 or so minutes even if in a gash vehicle. but now we just do it while we charge.
What happens where there are 10 other families on the road in the same situation you are in and all 10 charge spots are in use. Now you wait 30 minutes to even start the 30 minute timer. Have you not seen those giant lines at Tesla charge stations in California during holiday travel? Hour long waits to charge your vehicle trying to get to grandma's for Christmas. Sign me up!
Posted on 1/29/21 at 7:13 am to DeoreDX
The Supreme Court will vote 25-0 to require a supercharger every 10 miles.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 7:16 am to Dr RC
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and right now they have at least 4 more w/another admin that will push money into alternative energies.
For being the "party of the common man", Democrats damn sure like to take money from the common people and give it to mega-corporations.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 7:37 am to MrJimBeam
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I'm guessing they are betting on the technology by then for batteries. Otherwise, yeah this is a large inconvenience.
The human race has been a collective guinea pig for the past 200 years.
Lots of shite is inconvenient. I'm pretty sick of inconvenience.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 10:08 am to antibarner
OK, I'll play along.
Where does the energy for electrolysis on an industrial scale come from? Or high purity water for that matter?
It bears repeating that hydrogen is not a fuel, but a means to store energy. And it's a poor one at that. It's hard to compress and contain. It is high flammable and flammable over a very wide range of concentrations. Do you want the same people who can't pour piss of out a boot refueling their hydrogen-powered car?
I don't know what the right answer(s) is/are, but H2 ain't one of them.
Where does the energy for electrolysis on an industrial scale come from? Or high purity water for that matter?
It bears repeating that hydrogen is not a fuel, but a means to store energy. And it's a poor one at that. It's hard to compress and contain. It is high flammable and flammable over a very wide range of concentrations. Do you want the same people who can't pour piss of out a boot refueling their hydrogen-powered car?
I don't know what the right answer(s) is/are, but H2 ain't one of them.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 10:09 am to bakersman
quote:I'm not saying it's of zero concern.
And when a natural disaster comes and knocks out power for a few days, then what?
But if power is out in literally the entire town, you'll likely have much less need to go anywhere, so you probably aren't driving around much, so I don't see why your full charge wouldn't easily last you more than a few days. If you have to drive a bit farther out, then you're likely driving to places with power, and you can get to a supercharger or destination charger to charge up.
quote:Again, fair concern. But I'd say(whether you have a gas vehicle or EV) it's pretty shitty planning for most people if you're the last one to leave, so just leave earlier.
What about hurricane evacuation, people will run out of power waiting in traffic.
quote:If we're talking mass adoption, we're probably even further out than 30 years away I'd think.
Getting away from fossil fuel got travel is unfeasible and we’re closer to 30 years out than 14 years
Posted on 1/29/21 at 10:12 am to The Boat
quote:Yea, that's what I was saying.
Is charging technology not going to improve by 2035?
It's 5 minutes now to tank up and really only 15 minutes to get a quick charge to 80% which is all you need generally speaking.
So as of 2021 it's 5 vs 15. I doubt we'll see improvements to cut the 5 minute time down, but I am certain we'll see improvements on the 15 minute charge time for EVs.
Does it take longer than a gas vehicle? Of course. Is it as long and tedious as many think? Definitely not.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 10:16 am to DeoreDX
quote:I can Google and find much longer lines of people waiting for gas at gas stations, not sure why people pretend that never happens and the charging long lines always happens.
What happens where there are 10 other families on the road in the same situation you are in and all 10 charge spots are in use. Now you wait 30 minutes to even start the 30 minute timer. Have you not seen those giant lines at Tesla charge stations in California during holiday travel? Hour long waits to charge your vehicle trying to get to grandma's for Christmas. Sign me up!
Posted on 1/29/21 at 11:23 am to Twenty 49
There’s no way the nationwide electric infrastructure can be in place by then...and, where does that electricity come from? California-like rolling blackouts will be commonplace.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 11:32 am to shel311
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I can Google and find much longer lines of people waiting for gas at gas stations, not sure why people pretend that never happens and the charging long lines always happens.
I can google and find even longer lines waiting to order Popeyes.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 11:36 am to pensacola
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The Supreme Court will vote 25-0 to require a supercharger every 10 miles.
ISWYDT
Posted on 1/29/21 at 11:40 am to GetBackToWork
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The hipsters in Brooklyn or San Francisco cheering this news have no use for long drives.
Most probably don't own a vehicle.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 11:43 am to Twenty 49
Until a Republican wins the presidency in 2024 and then abandons the idea of this. Then a Democrat will win in 2028 and they'll say no more fossil fuels by 2040. Then a Republican will win in 2032 and they'll abandon this again. Then a Democrat will win in 2036 and they'll say no more fossil fuels by 2050. Etc...Etc...Etc...
Posted on 1/29/21 at 12:24 pm to redstick13
quote:But it's sooooo worth the wait!
I can google and find even longer lines waiting to order Popeyes.
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